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Rookie reloader questions about brass quality

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:48 pm
by lws380
I had some questions about brass and if it should be reloaded or not. I've attached a picture. #1 appears to be normal. #2 and #3 has what appears to be a crimp lines.

Are the lines on #2 and #3 crimp lines? Can or should #2 or #3 be reloaded? Thanks for your comments or suggestions.

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Re: Rookie reloader questions about brass quality

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:03 pm
by WildBill
lws380 wrote:I had some questions about brass and if it should be reloaded or not. I've attached a picture. #1 appears to be normal. #2 and #3 has what appears to be a crimp lines.

Are the lines on #2 and #3 crimp lines? Can or should #2 or #3 be reloaded? Thanks for your comments or suggestions.
I would discard #3. I have had problems with these types of cases splitting. I might load #2 if the line isn't too deep, but I would probably just toss it as well.

Re: Rookie reloader questions about brass quality

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:28 pm
by longtooth
When I was starting & brass was precious.
If it was not split I proceeded.
If it sized I proceeded. Belled w/o splittilg or crushing I proceeded to prime.

Seat the bullet & crimp. If it split but would chamber I used it as first round for practice.

Now that I have been reloading for long time & brass is everywhere in buckets (I have range pick up available) I am much more particlar about my brass. If it is extreemly dirty I will cull it now.

How precious is brass where you are.

Re: Rookie reloader questions about brass quality

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:07 am
by lws380
Brass is not that precious for me now. The lines seem fairly deep to me. I think they will get tossed. Thanks for the comments.

Re: Rookie reloader questions about brass quality

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:50 am
by KD5NRH
For revolvers, since the case is fully supported everywhere by the chamber, I'm a lot less picky about the brass than for any semiauto where there's pretty much always some unsupported casewall at the feedramp.

#2 I wouldn't worry about at all; I've got a lot of brass with that sort of rolled line on it in .38 and .357, and I'm pretty sure I even have some .45ACP with similar. #3 looks a bit odd, though, and I'd have to think about it a bit. It almost looks llike the forward line is some sort of stop groove for seating a wadcutter or something.

Re: Rookie reloader questions about brass quality

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 10:06 am
by MoJo
The cannelures (groves) are placed on cases to help prevent bullet setback or, as a stop point for the bullet in the case of revolver ammo. I have never had a problem reloading cases with a cannelure. The majority of my .38 Special and .357 magnum brass have cannelures as do many pieces of .40, 9mm and .45 ACP. I find them on premium ammo more so than range ammo. I would use all three of those cases without hesitation providing everything else is OK.

Re: Rookie reloader questions about brass quality

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:38 pm
by WildBill
KD5NRH wrote:For revolvers, since the case is fully supported everywhere by the chamber, I'm a lot less picky about the brass than for any semiauto where there's pretty much always some unsupported casewall at the feedramp.
The only case that I ever had split was in a revolver. It split all around at the cannelure ring. When I pressed the ejector rod the back half of case ejected and the forward end stayed in the chamber. :???:

I have always suspected that if the grooves are too sharp or deep they become stress risers and weaken the case.

Re: Rookie reloader questions about brass quality

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:31 am
by longtooth
Had lots of them split from the mouth down a little but never had one spit around.

New to me. How did you get the rest of the case out of the chamber.???

Re: Rookie reloader questions about brass quality

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:46 am
by KD5NRH
WildBill wrote:The only case that I ever had split was in a revolver. It split all around at the cannelure ring. When I pressed the ejector rod the back half of case ejected and the forward end stayed in the chamber. :???:
You've got to admit, though, that that still beats the damage and injuries common from unsupported case failures in semiautos.
I have always suspected that if the grooves are too sharp or deep they become stress risers and weaken the case.
That's why I would be concerned about #3; the forward groove looks awfully deep and sharply impressed.

Re: Rookie reloader questions about brass quality

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:14 pm
by O6nop
I've had a case split around the circumference on my 45acp 1911, I pulled a boresnake through and it came right out. A cleaning brush might work just as well on a revolver.

Re: Rookie reloader questions about brass quality

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:18 am
by WildBill
longtooth wrote:Had lots of them split from the mouth down a little but never had one spit around. New to me. How did you get the rest of the case out of the chamber.???
It was really stuck and wouldn't budge. I couldn't push it out with a brush or dowel and didn't want to risk scratching the gun with a screwdriver or other metal tool. I ended up making a little tool by using a lathe to turn down the head of a bolt to just under the diameter of the bore of the cylinder. I slid the threaded end through the front of the cylinder and put a couple of washers and a nut on the other end. A couple of turns to the nut with a wrench and the case popped out. Fortunately, there was no damage to the gun.