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New Report from Mayors Against Illegal Guns

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:27 am
by Skiprr
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/23/opini ... ef=opinion

This is a short editorial that ran in today's New York Times. Be prepared to be annoyed:
Price of Lax Gun Laws

Published: December 23, 2008

For years, the gun lobby has defeated new gun control laws partly by arguing that stronger laws do not deter crime. A study prepared by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a bipartisan group headed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York and Mayor Thomas Menino of Boston, should finally put that myth to rest.

The study analyzed trace data for guns used in connection with crimes during 2007. The data reveal a strong correlation between weak state gun laws and higher rates of in-state murders, police slayings and sales of guns used in crimes in other states.

Many states have enacted strong gun laws to supplement inadequate federal ones, including mandatory background checks on gun show sales. States requiring the same background checks at gun shows as those required for store purchases show an export rate for guns used in crimes that’s nearly half the national average. This argues for Congressional action to end the gun-show loophole nationally. States with weak gun laws produce different outcomes. More than half the guns recovered in out-of-state crimes last year were supplied by Georgia, Florida, Texas, Virginia and six other states where weak laws make it easy for gun traffickers and other criminals to obtain weapons.

Weak gun laws also put a state’s own citizens at risk. There were nearly 60 percent more gun murders in the 10 states where exports were highest than in the states with low export rates — and nearly three times as many fatal shootings of law enforcement officers.

The study by the mayors’ group isn’t the first to document the link between weak gun laws and gun violence or the “iron pipeline” by which guns flow from states with weak gun laws into states with strong ones. Still, the numbers are startling. They explain why the gun lobby resisted their release, and they provide a powerful retort to those who claim tougher gun laws don’t work.

A version of this article appeared in print on December 23, 2008, on page A28 of the New York edition.
The full report from Bloomberg's pet branchild, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, is available as a PDF here: http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org ... _final.pdf. It's obvious that Mayor Bloomberg hasn't given up on his tirade that "All my gun problems are because of you other states." (Not a direct quote; I'm just papraphrasing.)

The data from the report is stated to have come from the BATF. I will eagerly watch for the NRA's response to this. I gotta admit some of the statistics and claims have me tilting my head, in no small part because some of the inferences seem to conflict with FBI (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/index.html) and Department of Justice (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/welcome.html) data.

For instance, look at this statement from the NYT editorial:
There were nearly 60 percent more gun murders in the 10 states where exports were highest than in the states with low export rates...
First, that statement is not normalized by population; it refers to raw numbers only. Consider that three of the 10 "best" states are Hawaii, the District of Columbia, and Rhode Island.

Second, if you look at the FBI statistics for 2007, the percentage of murders by firearm by state would look like this:

Some Bloomberg GOOD States:

Illinois, 74.1%
New Jersey, 68.4%
Massachusetts, 62.6%
New York, 62.5%
Michigan, 66.1%

Some Bloomberg BAD States:

Georgia, 71.9%
Texas, 66.7%
Virginia, 70.7%
California, 71.4%
Ohio, 61.5%

Yep. Really big differentials there. :mad5

But, "Know thy enemy." I suggest you read the Mayors Against Illegal Guns report to stay familiar with what Bloomberg is pushing.

Re: New Report from Mayors Against Illegal Guns

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:49 am
by bdickens
Mayors Against Criminal Scumbags who Threaten Decent Citizens would be a whole lot more productive.

Re: New Report from Mayors Against Illegal Guns

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:42 am
by Charles L. Cotton
Remember too that Houston Mayor Bill White is a member of Bloomberg's group, that he is in his last term as Mayor due to term limitations, and that he has already announced that he is going to run for Kay Bailey Hutchison's Senate seat when she resigns to run for Governor. We do not need Bill White in the United States Senate! Too bad Senator Hutchison isn't going to finish out her term. That would put Bill White out of the public limelight for another two years, making it harder to win that Senate seat.

Chas.

Re: New Report from Mayors Against Illegal Guns

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:27 am
by RPBrown
Skiprr wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/23/opini ... ef=opinion

This is a short editorial that ran in today's New York Times. Be prepared to be annoyed:
Price of Lax Gun Laws

Published: December 23, 2008

For years, the gun lobby has defeated new gun control laws partly by arguing that stronger laws do not deter crime. A study prepared by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a bipartisan group headed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York and Mayor Thomas Menino of Boston, should finally put that myth to rest.

Bi-partisan??? Yeh, right.

Re: New Report from Mayors Against Illegal Guns

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:45 pm
by oilman
Charles L. Cotton wrote:Remember too that Houston Mayor Bill White is a member of Bloomberg's group, that he is in his last term as Mayor due to term limitations, and that he has already announced that he is going to run for Kay Bailey Hutchison's Senate seat when she resigns to run for Governor. We do not need Bill White in the United States Senate! Too bad Senator Hutchison isn't going to finish out her term. That would put Bill White out of the public limelight for another two years, making it harder to win that Senate seat.

Chas.
:iagree:

Re: New Report from Mayors Against Illegal Guns

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:37 am
by stevie_d_64
Mayors Against Illegal Guns has always been just another shining example of how surface their side of the argument is...nuff said...

Michael Williams has announced his intent to run for the U.S. Senate seat...Do the research and see how solid a guy he really is...I have no issues about him at all...

Head to head, if he (Williams) and Bill White go for it...Williams will trounce him on the issues, both will have a lot of backing from their prosepective parties, and since this is a "mid-term" senate race, it will be that much more important to make sure we keep some sort of protection from an all out liberal/socialist majority in all branches of the elected government...

If we think its bad now...Wait till 2010...22 months folks...

Just my opinion...