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The Israeli experience with armed school personnel

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:27 am
by seamusTX
Israel had European-style firearms laws until the 1990s. Aside from military service, few Israelis owned firearms, and concealed carry permits were rare.

In the 1990s, terrorists attacked several elementary schools and school groups. The government allowed and promoted arming school personnel, including teachers.

Several terrorist attackers were shot, and attacks of that type stopped.

As far as I know, no innocent person has been harmed by an armed teacher or school staff member.

The police have never shot an armed school employee because they thought he or she was a terrorist or other criminal.

No student has suffered the fontads because he or she saw a weapon; and, by the way, the preferred weapon is a carbine or rifle.

This interview is from 1999, but still accurate, AFAICT:
http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/school.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

All the arguments against lawful carrying of firearms on campus are bogus.

- Jim

Re: The Israeli experience with armed school personnel

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:05 pm
by Greybeard
Thanks for posting the link. Yep, copyright indicates 10 years ago - and this part has certainly not improved:

"So you do not have to be a prophet to foresee, that we will see more school-shooting incidents in the U.S. or other western nations, where media attention is focused on these things and where every incident is replayed second by second umpteen times on the tube, thereby creating in the minds of certain viewers examples to follow... "

Re: The Israeli experience with armed school personnel

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:05 pm
by ELB
seamusTX wrote:

No student has suffered the fontads because he or she saw a weapon; and, by the way, the preferred weapon is a carbine or rifle.
"fontads" :confused5

Re: The Israeli experience with armed school personnel

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:18 pm
by Oldgringo
While I have the highest regard for the Israelis in their daily struggle for survival, I have no idea what a fontad is.

Go Netanyahuh and Go Mossad ! :patriot:

Re: The Israeli experience with armed school personnel

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:20 pm
by seamusTX
The word fantods is a dismissive term for what used to be called "the vapors," panic, fainting from fright or shock, or hysteria. I'm sorry I misspelled it. It's a rare word.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-fan1.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fantods are what a timid person might experience if he or she knew that you were packing.

I have one first-hand experience with this phenomenon: I was at a gathering where a friend of the host who was a plain-clothes detective came in, took off his jacket (air conditioning not having been invented), and revealed his service revolver in a shoulder holster. A woman who was present screamed like she had found a rat in her bowl of Cheerios. The unpleasantness was smoothed over in that incident.

- Jim

Re: The Israeli experience with armed school personnel

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:42 pm
by Oldgringo
seamus describes fantods:

I have one first-hand experience with this phenomenon: I was at a gathering where a friend of the host who was a plain-clothes detective came in, took off his jacket (air conditioning not having been invented), and revealed his service revolver in a shoulder holster. A woman who was present screamed like she had found a rat in her bowl of Cheerios. The unpleasantness was smoothed over in that incident.
I wish I'd been there. I've seen several 'screaming hissy fits' but I've never seen a fantod.

Re: The Israeli experience with armed school personnel

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:47 pm
by seamusTX
A screaming hissy fit is aggressive. Fantods are passive. (I can't figure out if it is possible to have one fantod, or if they always come in groups.)

- Jim

Re: The Israeli experience with armed school personnel

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:02 pm
by bryang
I don't know about a fontod, but I sure do know what a "screaming hissy fit" is. :woohoo

-geo

Re: The Israeli experience with armed school personnel

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:37 am
by TxD
seamusTX wrote:A screaming hissy fit is aggressive. Fantods are passive. (I can't figure out if it is possible to have one fantod, or if they always come in groups.)
- Jim
"Sens. Edward Kennedy And Robert Byrd On The Mend After Collapsing At Inauguration Lunch"
Tuesday January 20, 2009
CityNews.ca Staff

This may have been a double "Fantod", but when it happened I simply thought they had the "Vapors" after getting hugs and hearing the speech and all. :razz:

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