No Fly List might become "No Gun" List

[stevie_d_64]

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5-19-2009 ~ NY Rep introduces bill to turn "No Fly" list into "no gun" list

Notorious Anti-gunner Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy has introduced a bill that would takes name from the so-called "no fly list" and place them in the National Instant Criminal Background Check system as ineligible to purchase a firearm.

H.R. 2401, the so-called "No Fly, No Buy Act of 2009" uses provisions of the Patriot Act and the Brady Bill to attack the Second Amendment rights of American travelers.

It should be no surprise that McCarthy, an anti-gun leader extraordinaire, would introduce such a bill. In recent years, such legislation by McCarthy wouldn't have stood much a chance of passage, but with Barack Obama in the White House and Nancy Pelosi banging the gun control gong in the House, this legislation has real support.

While this may seem like an innocuous bill to some, the so-called "No Fly" list is a highly inaccurate collection of names of suspected terrorists and completely innocent citizens.

A simple Google search brings up a myriad of instances where innocent Americans' names were placed on the so-called "No Fly List." Worse yet, the software used by Homeland Security is ancient and does not communicate well with the software used by airlines to track reservations.

A five year old Seattle boy was detained and kept from his mother, because his name was on the the "no fly list."

An Iraqi War Veteran and decorated United States Marine was prevent from flying because his name was also on the no fly list.

Even Members of Congress have found their names on the no fly list. Senator Ted Kennedy found his name on the list and despite his position of privileged, it took him weeks of direct personal appeals to get his name removed.

Even as recently as last fall, the Maryland State Police put 53 non-violent political activist on the "no fly" list simply because of their political views. This should certainly cause gun owners to squirm after the Department of Homeland Security has already made it acceptable for state and local law enforcement agencies to classify gun owners and gun rights activists as "domestic terrorists."

Some estimate that there are thousands of innocent names on the list which now has now grown to over 1 million names.

Additionally, many experts believe that keeping the list and corresponding software has cost the U.S. government over $1 billion, with not clear return on investment.

With all the of problems associated with the "no fly" list, passage of H.R. 2401 could be a huge problem for gun owners. With virtually no due process or real legal recourse for getting your name off the list, McCarthy has opened the door for a bureaucratic denial of firearm rights.

[Oldgringo]

Are we a country of fools? Who keeps electing these misguided and petty little demagogues? Nevermind, I think the answer just came to me.

[mikeintexas]

You are going to get a headache doing all that thinking, oldgringo..

[stroo]

Moreover, if you are put on the no fly list, the government doesn't have to tell you why you were put on it. That makes it real difficult to clear up any mistakes.

[Commander Cody]

How would you discover being on "THE LIST"?

[LarryH]

How would you discover being on "THE LIST"?

I don't think you could unless you tried to buy a gun and were denied, or perhaps the BATFE raided your house and confiscated your guns.

[Mithras61]

How would you discover being on "THE LIST"?

I don't think you could unless you tried to buy a gun and were denied, or perhaps the BATFE raided your house and confiscated your guns.

Trying to get on a commercial aircraft would do it...

One of the biggest problems with the list is that it has so many inaccuracies and no way to remove them (there are a few others besides). To try and use a list that is known for its failures more than any other feature seems ludicrous To insist it be used to deny a fundamental right is beyond stupid. Unfortunately, we in TX cannot unelect Ms. McCarthy, and can only hope that her constituents realize what adope she is before she does some REAL damage. That isn't likely, though, considering that she's from Brooklyn/Mineola/Long Island. Also, she isn't likely to change her position on gun control, since she got into Congress by running as an anti-gun Democrat (after she ran an anti-gun campaign after loosing her husband and having her son wounded by Colin Ferguson).

[ClarkLZeuss]

My very own cousin, when he was only 8 years old, was mistakenly put on the No Fly list. It was unbelievable, and an enormous pain in the rear for my uncle to get things cleared up. At least some funny quotes came out of it, though:

TSA: Sir, your son is on the No Fly list.
Uncle: Yes, we've been through this before. It's an error due to mistaken identity.
TSA: All right, then I need to see two forms of identification, such as a driver's license or a marriage license.
Uncle: Um, sir...he's 8.

[nitrogen]

Remember, Ted Kennedy was on that list. I know many people don't like him (myself included) but I know that I would personally rather have him flying than driving...