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Rail-Mount Laser

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:50 pm
by ClarkLZeuss
I'm looking for a rail-mount laser for my Taurus 24/7 Pro. (I know, I've read the threads about the pros and cons of lasers...I just want it for some sight training at the range, and for my wife when I leave the gun at home when I'm out of town). So two questions:

1) What's a good, but cheap tactical-rail mounted laser? (<$100)

2) Will a fired bullet actually hit slightly above where the laser is hitting? (I'm guessing that it will, since the laser is mounted below the barrel, and I assume it fires parallel to the bullet's trajectory). If this is so, would you actually want to put the red dot slightly below what you're trying to shoot?

Thanks!
Clark

Re: Rail-Mount Laser

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:08 pm
by dicion
ClarkLZeuss wrote: 2) Will a fired bullet actually hit slightly above where the laser is hitting? (I'm guessing that it will, since the laser is mounted below the barrel, and I assume it fires parallel to the bullet's trajectory). If this is so, would you actually want to put the red dot slightly below what you're trying to shoot?
The answer is, Depends on how you sight it. Lots of people do it both ways.

Sighting method A, is to sight the laser to POI at a certain range, usually 10, 12 or 15 yards. At that range, it will be right on. Before that, it (the dot) will be low of POI, after that, high

Sighting methid B, is to sight it exactly parallel to the barrel. This way (bullet rise/drop NOT considered), the laser will always be the exact same distance below POI no matter the range. Since this is usually ~1" or less, it won't really have any effect on lethality.

The downside to A is that the POI changes relative to the laser depending on range. However, if you set it for 10-15 yard, you're talking less than 1" Variance across 99.9% of of 'gunfight' distances.

The downside of B is it requires an extra stop in your OODA loop to think "Laser is 1" Low of POI".
Even if it doesn't matter, simply KNOWING this fact, especially seeing at a range, will make you think it in a situation. Once it's programmed in, you will think it.
(This can be eliminated for your wife by not telling your her about it. Just tell her to point it at the center torso and fire, but as long as You know about it, you will think it)

Both options are affected by bullet rise/drop eventually, but at SD distances, +/-1" hardware difference isn't going to make a difference. The Adrenaline is probably worth +/-6" alone :mrgreen:
Personally, I use A, at 10 yards on my carry piece. I don't practice to rely the laser at the range, only using it for the final 2 or so dozen rounds, just to make sure it's still sighted in.

Also look into Crimson Trace Lasergrips, or Lasermax Guide Rod Lasers. More options for laser sights then a rail laser, plus, they won't affect holsters as much as a rail laser will.

Re: Rail-Mount Laser

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:14 pm
by The Annoyed Man
All the lasers I've seen had sighting adjustments on them, so you could theoretically adjust your laser until the point of aim and point of impact are the same. That said, if you hit someone 1" off of center of mass when you fire, you've still effectively hit them center of mass, so I don't know how much you need to adjust your laser unless it is really off.

My wife has a 642 with CT grips, and I quit using the laser because it was a distraction. I shot better without it, but that's just me.

Re: Rail-Mount Laser

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:34 pm
by CompVest
ClarkLZeuss wrote:I'm looking for a rail-mount laser for my Taurus 24/7 Pro. (I know, I've read the threads about the pros and cons of lasers...I just want it for some sight training at the range, and for my wife when I leave the gun at home when I'm out of town). So two questions:

1) What's a good, but cheap tactical-rail mounted laser? (<$100)

2) Will a fired bullet actually hit slightly above where the laser is hitting? (I'm guessing that it will, since the laser is mounted below the barrel, and I assume it fires parallel to the bullet's trajectory). If this is so, would you actually want to put the red dot slightly below what you're trying to shoot?

Thanks!
Clark
I think you should just teach her how to aim with sights and put night sights on the gun!

Re: Rail-Mount Laser

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:15 pm
by ClarkLZeuss
CompVest wrote:
ClarkLZeuss wrote:I'm looking for a rail-mount laser for my Taurus 24/7 Pro. (I know, I've read the threads about the pros and cons of lasers...I just want it for some sight training at the range, and for my wife when I leave the gun at home when I'm out of town). So two questions:

1) What's a good, but cheap tactical-rail mounted laser? (<$100)

2) Will a fired bullet actually hit slightly above where the laser is hitting? (I'm guessing that it will, since the laser is mounted below the barrel, and I assume it fires parallel to the bullet's trajectory). If this is so, would you actually want to put the red dot slightly below what you're trying to shoot?

Thanks!
Clark
I think you should just teach her how to aim with sights and put night sights on the gun!
I agree, this is a much better permanent solution. The laser is mainly meant to be a temporary fix, as my wife is pregnant and won't be shooting till a while after the baby is born. I still plan to teach her basic shooting skills, though; we just can't practice them on the range.

Thanks to the others for info about sighting! Very helpful! Also, I would much prefer the LaserGrips, but the issue is $$$.

Re: Rail-Mount Laser

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:23 pm
by C-dub
I've also heard that the Lasermax guide rod laser is not a steady beam, but blinking. I don't have one, but would probably get this one if I did. An LEO friend of mine said he tried it and it bothered him too much and went back to his crimson trace grip.

Re: Rail-Mount Laser

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:40 pm
by CompVest
ClarkLZeuss wrote:
CompVest wrote:
ClarkLZeuss wrote:I'm looking for a rail-mount laser for my Taurus 24/7 Pro. (I know, I've read the threads about the pros and cons of lasers...I just want it for some sight training at the range, and for my wife when I leave the gun at home when I'm out of town). So two questions:

1) What's a good, but cheap tactical-rail mounted laser? (<$100)

2) Will a fired bullet actually hit slightly above where the laser is hitting? (I'm guessing that it will, since the laser is mounted below the barrel, and I assume it fires parallel to the bullet's trajectory). If this is so, would you actually want to put the red dot slightly below what you're trying to shoot?

Thanks!
Clark
I think you should just teach her how to aim with sights and put night sights on the gun!
I agree, this is a much better permanent solution. The laser is mainly meant to be a temporary fix, as my wife is pregnant and won't be shooting till a while after the baby is born. I still plan to teach her basic shooting skills, though; we just can't practice them on the range.

Thanks to the others for info about sighting! Very helpful! Also, I would much prefer the LaserGrips, but the issue is $$$.
Another suggestion. One of the good blowback style air soft guns will give her sight and shooting practice that is safe for the baby not to mention a lot of fun. You two could play good gal/bad guy!

Re: Rail-Mount Laser

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:10 pm
by super8neon
Streamlight TLR-2
Laser and Light Combo

Easy install, adjustable windage and elevation... use it or use your sights.