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Early success on border cited

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:18 am
by Mithras61
Early success on border cited

U.S. agents seizing thousands of guns, millions in cash
By STEWART M. POWELL WASHINGTON BUREAU
June 15, 2009, 10:34PM

WASHINGTON — Homeland security chief Janet Napolitano is claiming early success for the Obama administration’s border crackdown on southbound smuggling of firearms and drug proceeds to Mexican drug cartels, citing a threefold increase in weapons’ seizures and a twofold increase in bulk cash seizures.

The secretary of homeland security produced the score card three months into the administration’s surge of at least 360 additional federal law enforcement personnel to the southwest border with Mexico. They are tasked with choking off cartels’ access to the guns and cash that have contributed to the gangland warfare that has claimed thousands of lives in Mexico since late 2006.

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Some 9,886 southbound firearms were seized in the eight-month period that started Oct.1 — up from 3,250 seized over the same period last year, according statistics provided by DHS spokeswoman Sara Kuban.

A total of $73.6 million in bulk cash drug proceeds was intercepted nationwide, up from $37.8 million. Of that amount, $26.5 million has been seized at southwest border ports of entry, up from $6.9 million the year before.

Seizures of northbound drugs also have increased significantly – with 1.2 million kilos of illegal drugs intercepted over the past eight months compared to 872,601 kilos the year before.

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Napolitano, a former two-term governor of Arizona, said the United States would deploy additional canine search teams and license plate readers at ports of entry to speed the inspections process.
Amazing on multiple counts:

1) Enforcing existing gun laws works to reduce illegal flows of guns (no new laws required) :patriot: :fire
2) Enforcing existing drug laws reduces the flow of illegal drugs (no more laws here either) :tiphat:
3) I had no idea they could teach dogs to read license plates! :smilelol5:

Re: Early success on border cited

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:51 am
by Oldgringo
Some 9,886 southbound firearms were seized in the eight-month period that started Oct.1 — up from 3,250 seized over the same period last year, according statistics provided by DHS spokeswoman Sara Kuban.
:eek6 Amazing, flat out amazing. I wonder how much northbound ordinance and money was seized during this same period?

Re: Early success on border cited

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:37 am
by joe817
Mithras61 wrote:
Early success on border cited
WASHINGTON — Homeland security chief Janet Napolitano is claiming early success for the Obama administration’s border crackdown on southbound smuggling of firearms and drug proceeds to Mexican drug cartels, citing a threefold increase in weapons’ seizures and a twofold increase in bulk cash seizures.

The secretary of homeland security produced the score card three months into the administration’s surge of at least 360 additional federal law enforcement personnel to the southwest border with Mexico. They are tasked with choking off cartels’ access to the guns and cash that have contributed to the gangland warfare that has claimed thousands of lives in Mexico since late 2006.
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Some 9,886 southbound firearms were seized in the eight-month period that started Oct.1 — up from 3,250 seized over the same period last year, according statistics provided by DHS spokeswoman Sara Kuban.

A total of $73.6 million in bulk cash drug proceeds was intercepted nationwide, up from $37.8 million. Of that amount, $26.5 million has been seized at southwest border ports of entry, up from $6.9 million the year before.

Seizures of northbound drugs also have increased significantly – with 1.2 million kilos of illegal drugs intercepted over the past eight months compared to 872,601 kilos the year before.
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Napolitano, a former two-term governor of Arizona, said the United States would deploy additional canine search teams and license plate readers at ports of entry to speed the inspections process.
Amazing on multiple counts:
1) Enforcing existing gun laws works to reduce illegal flows of guns (no new laws required) :patriot: :fire
2) Enforcing existing drug laws reduces the flow of illegal drugs (no more laws here either) :tiphat:
3) I had no idea they could teach dogs to read license plates! :smilelol5:
Yup Yup. :iagree: completely. What we have now is working quite well thank you very much. New laws & regs not needed. If it ain't broke don't fix it! No need to reinvent the mousetrap if it works well, and what we have now on the books is working well.

Re: Early success on border cited

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:26 am
by AEA
Some 9,886 southbound firearms were seized in the eight-month period that started Oct.1 — up from 3,250 seized over the same period last year, according statistics provided by DHS spokeswoman Sara Kuban.
I do not believe these numbers. I would like to see some proof of this.

Re: Early success on border cited

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:29 am
by Mithras61
AEA wrote:
Some 9,886 southbound firearms were seized in the eight-month period that started Oct.1 — up from 3,250 seized over the same period last year, according statistics provided by DHS spokeswoman Sara Kuban.
I do not believe these numbers. I would like to see some proof of this.
:iagree:

I agree that the numbers are suspect (they were counting a single cartridge as a firearm in an report earlier this year :roll: ), but the claims notwithstanding, the laws we have are more than up to the task if we enforce them (just like so many other gun laws).

Re: Early success on border cited

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:44 am
by AEA
Yes I agree the laws on the books will work if enforced. However I question those numbers because I believe they are inflated for a later purpose of convincing idiots that Gunshows/Straw purchases in Border States are the problem with guns in Mexico.

Re: Early success on border cited

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:50 am
by jimlongley
Mithras61 wrote:
AEA wrote:
Some 9,886 southbound firearms were seized in the eight-month period that started Oct.1 — up from 3,250 seized over the same period last year, according statistics provided by DHS spokeswoman Sara Kuban.
I do not believe these numbers. I would like to see some proof of this.
:iagree:

I agree that the numbers are suspect (they were counting a single cartridge as a firearm in an report earlier this year :roll: ), but the claims notwithstanding, the laws we have are more than up to the task if we enforce them (just like so many other gun laws).
Kind of like back in 'Nam when a VC got blown to pieces, each separate part was counted as a body, and when three guys tasked with counting bodies walked past the same body, it became three. Figures don't lie, by liars can figure.

Re: Early success on border cited

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:29 am
by JJVP
AEA wrote:Yes I agree the laws on the books will work if enforced. However I question those numbers because I believe they are inflated for a later purpose of convincing idiots that Gunshows/Straw purchases in Border States are the problem with guns in Mexico.
I would like to see the breakdown by month to determine if the additional personnel send by Zero is really helping. Since they only show the total since October and Zero and Napolitano were not in charge until mid January, we don't know the effect the increase had on anything. Heck they only sent additional agents a short time ago. No way to determine if the "surge" has done anything. But hey, whatever it takes to take credit, right?

Re: Early success on border cited

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:45 pm
by Fangs
Now if they were just smart enough to sell the confiscated firearms to the general public.... we could be well on our way to paying off the national debt. ;-)

Re: Early success on border cited

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:52 pm
by bryang
jimlongley wrote:
Mithras61 wrote:
AEA wrote:
Some 9,886 southbound firearms were seized in the eight-month period that started Oct.1 — up from 3,250 seized over the same period last year, according statistics provided by DHS spokeswoman Sara Kuban.
I do not believe these numbers. I would like to see some proof of this.
:iagree:

I agree that the numbers are suspect (they were counting a single cartridge as a firearm in an report earlier this year :roll: ), but the claims notwithstanding, the laws we have are more than up to the task if we enforce them (just like so many other gun laws).
Kind of like back in 'Nam when a VC got blown to pieces, each separate part was counted as a body, and when three guys tasked with counting bodies walked past the same body, it became three. Figures don't lie, by liars can figure.
I definitely do not believe those numbers!!
Of course, I do believe enforcing the present laws on the books will work just fine...if they are enforced!! :rules:

-geo

Re: Early success on border cited

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:57 pm
by Oldgringo
:eek6 Amazing, flat out amazing. I wonder how much northbound ordinance and money was seized during this same period?
I not only question these figures but I'm also having problems with just about every figure that comes out of the present administration...so far.

Re: Early success on border cited

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:59 pm
by Mithras61
Y'All just aren't very good at believing the unpossible! next thing you'll be telling me that the gun laws in DC, NYC and Chicago don't keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys, and don't reduce violent assaults/deaths!

:biggrinjester: :biggrinjester: :biggrinjester:

Re: Early success on border cited

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:16 pm
by LarryH
So our "capture ratio" has increased from 12% to 22%? I'm so impressed.

Re: Early success on border cited

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:10 pm
by Frost
"Success" means that the price of drugs rise. Econ 101 can fill in the rest.

Re: Early success on border cited

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:46 pm
by 74novaman
They've got their eyes on the wrong side of the border. They should be keeping Illegal things from coming North not going south.