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Here we go again.....
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:20 am
by Chip
Another trip to Mexico, another round of news articles about how the evil gun industry is keeping Obama from saving Mexico:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599191532700
Obama concedes that one major problem in stopping the traffic is the strength of U.S. gun laws - and the gun lobby supporting them.
And I particularly like this quote about that pesky Second Amendment:
A 2008 Supreme Court decision reinforces the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, making a future ban even more difficult. In his first visit to Mexico in April, Obama said apologetically that it was beyond his power to overturn that.
Re: Here we go again.....
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:32 am
by AEA
I don't know how they managed to get even that out and discussed. He was not there long enough to do anything but eat.
I'm willing to bet that Michelle was with him and he needed to chat with the PM of Canada briefly and Michelle wanted some fajitas, so they just set it up with Calderon to come down for dinner and drinks!
What a mess we have got ourselves into. A seriously sad time for the USA.

Re: Here we go again.....
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:46 am
by A-R
Chip wrote:Another trip to Mexico, another round of news articles about how the evil gun industry is keeping Obama from saving Mexico:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599191532700
Obama concedes that one major problem in stopping the traffic is the strength of U.S. gun laws - and the gun lobby supporting them.
And I particularly like this quote about that pesky Second Amendment:
A 2008 Supreme Court decision reinforces the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, making a future ban even more difficult. In his first visit to Mexico in April, Obama said apologetically that it was beyond his power to overturn that.
This whole "angle" of big bad US gun stores being the cause of Mexican drug cartel violence has just taken on a life of it's own, with a lot of help from lapdogs in the media and propoganda masters within the administration.
And how brazen is the Mexican government in this ridiculous paragraph ...
Calderon will be especially keen to see new efforts on the U.S. side because a large chunk of the American money promised for Mexico has been delayed. Under the Merida Initiative, $1.4 billion was earmarked to help Mexico fight cartels over three years. But following accusations of Mexican army abuses - including torture, rape, and murder - the Senate has held back 15% of those funds until it can certify that Mexico is making efforts to clean up its human rights record. Mexico's Congress this week issued a statement condemning this certification process. While American shops are arming the cartels, the lawmakers said, they have no right to judge the Mexican army for fighting back. "We can never agree with a foreign government unilaterally judging us in return for economic help to deal with a shared problem," said Rep. Tomas Torres.
I got an idea, how about we don't GIVE the Mexican government ANY of this money. Better yet, use the carrot and stick method and take away $100,000 for each illegal immigrant we have to deport back to Mexico. $1.4 billion would be gone in a week.
Re: Here we go again.....
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:47 pm
by roberts
austinrealtor wrote:I got an idea, how about we don't GIVE the Mexican government ANY of this money. Better yet, use the carrot and stick method and take away $100,000 for each illegal immigrant we have to deport back to Mexico. $1.4 billion would be gone in a week.
Sounds fair. What's the cost of illegal immigration?
http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stor ... ily89.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Here we go again.....
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:21 pm
by pdubyoo
roberts wrote:austinrealtor wrote:I got an idea, how about we don't GIVE the Mexican government ANY of this money. Better yet, use the carrot and stick method and take away $100,000 for each illegal immigrant we have to deport back to Mexico. $1.4 billion would be gone in a week.
Sounds fair. What's the cost of illegal immigration?
http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stor ... ily89.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
We could then use that same $1.4b to secure the border.
