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Interesting reading about Utopia City ahm... London.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 886192.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The armed patrols are being deployed after a dramatic rise in gun crime. They will target key areas in North London, where Turkish gangs are engaged in a bloody turf war, and south of the Thames, where gangland shooting incidents have soared.

zbordas wrote:Interesting reading about Utopia City ahm... London.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 886192.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The armed patrols are being deployed after a dramatic rise in gun crime. They will target key areas in North London, where Turkish gangs are engaged in a bloody turf war, and south of the Thames, where gangland shooting incidents have soared.

Not possible, guns were completely banned over a year ago. /sarcasm

I guess "Stop, or I'll say stop again" didn't work out real well for the Brits.

At least they have lots of surveillance cameras so they can watch the footage of you getting shot.

chamberc wrote:..."Stop, or I'll say stop again" didn't work out real well...

The "Bobbies" bring a trungeon to a gun fight.
truncheon [ˈtrʌntʃən]
n
1. (Military / Arms & Armour (excluding Firearms)) Chiefly Brit a short thick club or cudgel carried by a policeman
2. a baton of office a marshal's truncheon
3. (Military / Arms & Armour (excluding Firearms)) Archaic a short club or cudgel
4. (Military / Arms & Armour (excluding Firearms)) the shaft of a spear
5. Something not to bring to a gun fight.

*Bites tongue*

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Skelton Eric wrote:
Hang on; Doesn't shooting back at murderous gangsters violate their human rights?
October 23, 2009 1:05 PM BST on community.timesonline.co.uk
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Did that come from someone in the UK, or Chicago?

Drewthetexan wrote:At least they have lots of surveillance cameras so they can watch the footage of you getting shot.

When I was there a few years back, the locals told me that, despite the virtually daily shooting incidents in London, their unarmed police rarely got shot due to a small tactical adaptation they had implemented. When a report of a major crime involving armed felons was received, the police simply didn't respond for a couple of hours, and in some cases, not until the next day. This was highly effective in preventing officer casualties, but didn't do much to enhance the level of respect they got from the citizenry, which clearly understood that they were completely on their own for the time frame that really mattered.

Excaliber wrote:

Drewthetexan wrote:At least they have lots of surveillance cameras so they can watch the footage of you getting shot.

When I was there a few years back, the locals told me that, despite the virtually daily shooting incidents in London, their unarmed police rarely got shot due to a small tactical adaptation they had implemented. When a report of a major crime involving armed felons was received, the police simply didn't respond for a couple of hours, and in some cases, not until the next day. This was highly effective in preventing officer casualties, but didn't do much to enhance the level of respect they got from the citizenry, which clearly understood that they were completely on their own for the time frame that really mattered.

That is depressing. I wonder how much isn't even called in.

Drewthetexan wrote:

Excaliber wrote:

Drewthetexan wrote:At least they have lots of surveillance cameras so they can watch the footage of you getting shot.

When I was there a few years back, the locals told me that, despite the virtually daily shooting incidents in London, their unarmed police rarely got shot due to a small tactical adaptation they had implemented. When a report of a major crime involving armed felons was received, the police simply didn't respond for a couple of hours, and in some cases, not until the next day. This was highly effective in preventing officer casualties, but didn't do much to enhance the level of respect they got from the citizenry, which clearly understood that they were completely on their own for the time frame that really mattered.

That is depressing. I wonder how much isn't even called in.

There's even more depressing news over there. During my visit, many areas had either no armed police, or just one armed officer who worked only some shifts (usually at night). He was considered armed by virtue of the fact that he kept a handgun locked in a box in the trunk of his cruiser and could only take it out upon orders from above when dispatched to certain violent incidents.

You might think that these things taken together might not be terribly discouraging to criminals, and you'd be right. So the powers that be did the only reasonable thing when the number of unsolved violent offenses went through the roof - they changed the numbers. They started counting only solved crimes, so all those pesky unsolved ones didn't mess up their statistics. I understand this wasn't well received by the public and has been modified somehow, but I don't know exactly what they changed.

The country's descent into lunacy didn't end with their solemn and well publicized effort to ban pointy knives because so many folks were getting stabbed. They're now looking at banning glass drinking glasses in pubs because they've discovered they can be broken and used as an edged weapon. Check out the details on page 51 of the November issue of the NRA's America's 1st Freedom Magazine.

Just remember that they used to be a great country.....and don't think it couldn't happen here.

Drewthetexan wrote:That is depressing. I wonder how much isn't even called in.

Given what they do to people who just confront burglars, let alone actively defend themselves, I imagine more and more crime goes unreported.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/arti ... meowner.do" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They're now looking at banning glass drinking glasses in pubs because they've discovered they can be broken and used as an edged weapon

Exactly the reason why beer in long necked bottles is so popular in Texas. In Houston, think Airline, Market Street, Uvalde St., Telephone Road, Tamina @Woodlands, Black Cat Ridge @ Humble, Hockley, Old Hwy 90. Those were the days. Thank God they're over.

If they keep going on that way, barbarians armed with 2x4's could over take the UK.

Chuck TX wrote:If they keep going on that way, barbarians armed with 2x4's could over take the UK.

The Brits, in their current state of dissolution, would respond by banning the possession of lumber.

Excaliber is correct; UK crime numbers are solved, not reported. The UK govt compare the US and UK crime numbers directly (without mentioning they are apples and oranges) to 'demonstrate' that the UK has a much lower crime rate than the US, when it does not. The crime clear-up rate was 13-15% the last time I looked up the statistic, equating to a 6.5x factor that should be built into the UK numbers to (start to) correct them to US numbers. Furthermore, due to the definition of violent crime differing between the UK and US, there are some crime types that are considered 'violent' in the US, but not the UK, resulting in another under-reporting bias for the UK. Also, strings of crimes in a localized area - like if there a bunch of apartments in one building broken into in the same afternoon, or if several cars parked together are vandalized - are lumped together as a single criminal act (once they actually bust someone for it, that is).

Once you drill into the data, and correct it to account for the difference in capture and analysis, the UK numbers are quite a bit higher than the US.

I also believe that when the US vs UK numbers are compared within a discussion about gun control, the US numbers should have the data for locations that have UK-style gun laws pulled out. Doing a straight UK vs US comparison to make a point about gun control is misleading if you have data from, say, New York and Washington, D.C - which have UK-style laws - in there. Once you make THAT correction, the UK numbers are scary high. Most of the UK population don't care to investigate these numbers, and don't understand that all of the US states have different gun laws.

And I'm a Brit - who feels much safer in Texas, thanks very much :-)