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Two separate shooting incidents:

A 19-year-old man was reportedly abducted in the 600 block of north Ferry Road at 11:15 p.m. Monday, taken by car to the 55th and Avenue O, and shot.

The victim was taken to UTMB. His condition is not reported.

One suspect is in jail, charged with aggravated kidnapping and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Police are developing charges against another suspect.

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A man was shot in an apartment in the 4300 block of Sealy. The shooter says that the victim threatened him with a box cutter.

The shooter was arrested and charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

The man who was shot was taken to UTMB. Police said he is a suspect in an armed robber that occurred the same day in the same area.

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This is a part of town where I would not go without a very good reason. I can't think of a good enough reason.

- Jim

Sad day for the island.

seamusTX wrote:A man was shot in an apartment in the 4300 block of Sealy. The shooter says that the victim threatened him with a box cutter.

The shooter was arrested and charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

The man who was shot was taken to UTMB. Police said he is a suspect in an armed robber that occurred the same day in the same area.

If the shootee was suspected of an armed robbery on the same day in the same area, doesn't that lend some credibility to the shooter's story that he was threatened with a box cutter? Why the arrest and charges, then?

chabouk wrote:

seamusTX wrote:A man was shot in an apartment in the 4300 block of Sealy. The shooter says that the victim threatened him with a box cutter.

The shooter was arrested and charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

The man who was shot was taken to UTMB. Police said he is a suspect in an armed robber that occurred the same day in the same area.

If the shootee was suspected of an armed robbery on the same day in the same area, doesn't that lend some credibility to the shooter's story that he was threatened with a box cutter? Why the arrest and charges, then?

Read the whole article, as there apprently is a whole lot more to this issue. In the article it states the two apprently knew each other. They also say the shell casings were found in the middle of the street. Police suspect the suspect was chased down the street and then shot.

It might have had something to do with the shooter chasing the bg out into the street, firing and reloading as the shooter chased the bg.

Even if the man who was shot (A) threatened the man with the gun (B), gun versus box cutter doesn't look good in terms of justification. B chasing A to continue shooting, if that is what happened, looks bad.

The article doesn't say, but I very much doubt B had a CHL.

There may be other factors that were not in the preliminary report.

This arrest highlights the fact that justifications for the use of deadly force are defenses to prosecution. The prosecutor can always press charges.

- Jim

seamusTX wrote:Even if the man who was shot (A) threatened the man with the gun (B), gun versus box cutter doesn't look good in terms of justification. B chasing A to continue shooting, if that is what happened, looks bad.

The article doesn't say, but I very much doubt B had a CHL.

There may be other factors that were not in the preliminary report.

This arrest highlights the fact that justifications for the use of deadly force are defenses to prosecution. The prosecutor can always press charges.

- Jim

I beg to differ with you on this Jim, all that it would take is a well placed slash from the box cutter to open up an artery and cause a person to potentially bleed to death. As to the issue of chasing someone down, I agree with you on that one.

hheremtp wrote:I beg to differ with you on this Jim, all that it would take is a well placed slash from the box cutter to open up an artery and cause a person to potentially bleed to death.

I know that blades are deadly weapons. The September 11, 2001, terrorist hijackings should have taught us everything we need to know about box cutters. However, some people have short memories, and you don't want to have them on a jury deciding your fate.

(Not too many years from now, some jurors will be too young to remember September 11, 2001.)

Here's the reasoning that I have in mind:

Mr. A pulls a knife and says something like, "Give me your valuables."

Mr. B pulls a handgun and says, "Maybe not."

Unless A is a complete idiot or maniac, he should turn and run. That appears to be what may have happened in this case.

A jury is not going to look kindly on B chasing A and shooting him while A is fleeing.

- Jim

seamusTX wrote:
Mr. A pulls a knife and says something like, "Give me your valuables."

Mr. B pulls a handgun and says, "Maybe not."

See, thats where he went wrong. It should have gone like this:

Mr. A pulls a knife and says something like, "Give me your valuables."

Mr. B <BANG>

This whole, "giving warning", "warning shots", and "asking criminals nicely to drop their weapons" thing only seems to cause CHL holders to get shot, or get into ambiguous situations. Personally, I'm going to skip all that.

However, If I miss, and he starts running away, the threat of lethal force is over, and there is no reason to continue shooting.

I doubt much legal analysis preceded this incident.

- Jim

Why not have the State Police round em all up and ship them back to New Orleans? Problem solved. After all, they are going to get a 100 million grant from the Insurance Bill so they should be happy to go back for all that free money!

AEA wrote:Why not have the State Police round em all up and ship them back to New Orleans?

Maybe because that would violate several constitutions and statutes?

I missed where the people involved were identified as being from New Orleans.

We are perfectly capable of growing our own criminals here, though many wash up on these shores from other places. It is a land of opportunity.

- Jim

Well, it doesn't bother the Federal government when they violate those constitutions and statutes, so why should it matter to the States?

I am willing to bet that the trouble cause in this thread was by New Orleans implants, regardless of what was not said and regardless of the correct fact that we are capable of growing our own criminals.