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I read a article on the FNH 5.7 in a gun magazine today. It mentioned that there was a lot of controversy over the effectiveness of the round because there had not been very many real life shootings with the round. I would imagine that Major Hasan just put an end to the arguments. I would say the 5.7 is an effective round.

FN are not in the business of producing kids toys. FN produces deadly tools, commonly referred to as firearms.

Beiruty wrote:FN are not in the business of producing kids toys. FN produce deadly tools.

If you've ever looked at their website you'll find that they make MUCH more than guns for the public consumption.

I heard that the 5.7 round is capable of penetrating body armor , is there truth to that statement ?

USA1 wrote:I heard that the 5.7 round is capable of penetrating body armor , is there truth to that statement ?

Only with military rounds. Civilian rounds do not, have soft lead cores.

stroo wrote:I read a article on the FNH 5.7 in a gun magazine today. It mentioned that there was a lot of controversy over the effectiveness of the round because there had not been very many real life shootings with the round. I would imagine that Major Hasan just put an end to the arguments. I would say the 5.7 is an effective round.

Really? He shot 43 people,and 30 of them survived. That doesn't sound like a super deadly round to me.

A .22 will kill. It happens all the time, Recently a girl was killed with an air rifle.

And BTW, Virginia set the standard by putting the beltway sniper down in only 7 years, if our Army has become so PC they can't put the terrorist muslim Major POS down then we are all in BIG trouble...

chabouk wrote:Really? He shot 43 people,and 30 of them survived. That doesn't sound like a super deadly round to me.

If you shot 43 people in the arm or leg with a 45, how many do you think would survive? Probably all of them. Shot placement is key. I don't know where the survivors were shot on their body, but I'd bet that most of them were not hit COM or in the head.

Lumberjack98 wrote:

chabouk wrote:Really? He shot 43 people,and 30 of them survived. That doesn't sound like a super deadly round to me.

If you shot 43 people in the arm or leg with a 45, how many do you think would survive? Probably all of them. Shot placement is key. I don't know where the survivors were shot on their body, but I'd bet that most of them were not hit COM or in the head.

That's true, and witnesses reported that those killed were hit multiple times COM. I imagine you'd see pretty much the same results regardless of caliber.

Lumberjack98 wrote:

chabouk wrote:Really? He shot 43 people,and 30 of them survived. That doesn't sound like a super deadly round to me.

If you shot 43 people in the arm or leg with a 45, how many do you think would survive? Probably all of them. Shot placement is key. I don't know where the survivors were shot on their body, but I'd bet that most of them were not hit COM or in the head.

Here is just a few of the wounded and where they were hit. Many were shot in vital organ areas. 5.7 is just as deadly as any other round if placed right.

Kimberly Munley, shot in hand and both legs.
Matthew Cook, 30, shot in abdomen.
Amber Bahr, 19, shot in the stomach.
Keara Bono, 21, shot in back.
Joy Clark, 27, unspecified gunshot
Joey Foster, 21, shot in the hip.
Justin Johnson, 21, shot in chest and leg.
Grant Moxon, 23, shot in the leg.
George Stratton III, 18, shot on shoulder.
Raymondo Saucedo, 26, bullet grazed his arm.
Nathan Hewett, unspecified injury.
Alonzo Lunsford, shot three to four times.

Source http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-1221 ... ng-victims" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's very similar to 22 WMR.

I have a PS90 and love it! The only things I have shot with it so far a few nutria rats and a medium sized hog. The nutria rats of course were short work. All body shots and and instant death. Now the hog (which is more applicable here) I shot from about 50 yards and it hit him in the high neck area. He went down right there with no running and was dead when I approached. I honestly believe if I had shot for the body and hit a vital organ the result would have been the same. So basically I'm a believer of the round. It's not my die hard first choice but I wouldn't feel under gunned in a shootout with it either.

Oh and you can get the armor piercing stuff but they just don't call it armor piercing. It's something like $40 for 50 rounds. So hey less than .380 ACP!

A friend shot two large, marauding dogs that were after his daughter's goats. Both ran a short distance. Neither bullet exited, but he reported that the animals bled from every orifice.

Everyone worries about the armor piercing rounds, but the V-Max bullet, with its explosive effect, could produce a truly horrific wound.

Mike1951 wrote:A friend shot two large, marauding dogs that were after his daughter's goats. Both ran a short distance. Neither bullet exited, but he reported that the animals bled from every orifice.

Everyone worries about the armor piercing rounds, but the V-Max bullet, with its explosive effect, could produce a truly horrific wound.

What people don't get, is that 'Armor Piercing' rounds are generally made of a very hard metal that does not deform as easily at the tip. This allows them to 'knife' through the armor where a normal copper-jacketed lead round would immediately expand, shed it's energy, and not penetrate. Some others carry a hardened 'core' inside the softer metal.

The factor that makes AP rounds armor piercing, also makes them less deadly to NON armored targets. They make smaller wound channels and tend to overpenetrate. They do not expand as much, do not bounce around as much, and do not cause as massive shock trauma.

If you gave me a choice to take a random round through a random place in my chest, and I could choose either JHP or AP, I'd choose the AP in a second. Better chance for survival.
Granted, if either hit you in the heart, or the spine, you're toast anyways.

So using Armor Piercing rounds in an attack would actually be LESS effective than standard JHP's. The only time AP rounds would be 'worth' using, is when you're going up against a known armored foe.

I read an interesting article talking about 5.7 versus normal "defensive rounds" i.e. 9mm, .40, and .45.

Basically, a 5.7 round weighs 40 grains and can leave the pistol at close to 2,000 fps.

a .45 weights 230 grains and leaves at closer to 800 fps.

The author compared the two by saying being hit by the 5.7=an icepick. hit by a .45=a sledgehammer.

The argument was a round designed to penetrate armor (with the proper ammunition) is not an effective man stopper. Sure, it will penetrate, but it will punch through. A bigger, slower round creates more body trauma than a faster, lighter round.

Do I want to be shot by it? No. Would I rather carry a .45? Yes.

Just my .02 of course, and its worth exactly what you paid for it.