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Could global warming be a hoax?

Some people believe they've found proof that it is. Recently hackers broke into the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University computers and hacked over 1000 emails between global warming scientists discussing the "extra proof" they had to use to pad the global warming theory. These emails have leaked across the internet and in several it's admitted that global warming is in fact declining.

It doesn't need to be said the questions that these emails have raised so many questions:
** Whether the emails are authentic or falsified?

** Whether scientists have been stretching the truth on global warming?

** What do you believe? Which is the hoax - the leaked emails or global warming?

** How would this affect Cap and Trade Legislation IF found true?... (that's a big IF).


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As soon as Al Gore started talking about it, everyone should have figured out then it was a hoax.

Hoax.

"Hoax" doesn't begin to describe it - consider the proposed "Cap and Trade" legislation now being considered to take advantage of "Global Warming" or "Climate Change."

Under the plan, .gov would award carbon credits to companies that do things that are "green," which they could then "use" to stay in business (!) or sell on the free market.

Thing is, carbon credits aren't anything more than marks in a ledger someplace - they're not real in that they have no actual physical substance; they're imaginary products. And since nobody in his right mind is going to buy an imaginary product using real money, there is NO demand on the free market.

Enter Obama and the Democrats - they're going to force people to purchase these imaginary products in order to buy energy or anything that requires energy to produce. But if they force John Q. Public to buy these things directly, there might be a revolt at the ballot box, so instead they'll move up the chain and requre every company that uses energy to produce a product - from electricity to concrete - to buy these things just to stay in business! Of course the cost will be passed on to the consumer, who'll blame the "greedy companies" for his rising expenses. Companies that don't buy the credits will be shut down or fined. (Sounds a lot like Al Capone selling "protection" in the 1930s, doesn't it? Welcome to Chicago-style gangster government.)

And of course, .gov will control the supply - and hence, the price - of these carbon credits . . . and the companies they award them to will have a steady source of cash income without producing a product people want to actually buy . . . a source of income they'll surely share with their friends in congress and the White House.

In short, it's a swindle and a scam on a scale that makes Bernie Madoff look like a two-bit hustler playing 3-card Monte on an NYC street corner.

Al Gore has been telling us the end is ten years away for 30 years, now. It's an empire of fraud, on a global level.

This might be of interest to your discussion;

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/james ... l-warming/

I wouldn't call it a hoax. "Balloon Boy" was a hoax. Piltdown Man was a hoax. Tawana Brawley was a hoax. Lots of people were fooled, there was a lot of uproar and talk and debate, but that was about it.

No, this is a scam. The scientists bending data to get the results that secure further grants, carbon credits, "cap and trade", etc., are all designed to scam people (mostly taxpayers) out of money.

Al Gore wasn't exactly in the poorhouse before, but he's now become filthy rich off his carbon credits and "non-profit" foundation.

Scam is too nice a word for it. That implies some 2-bit hustle.

It's FRAUD - pure and simple. Put it on a scale along with Bernie Madoff. (Made-Off?)

sjfcontrol wrote:Scam is too nice a word for it. That implies some 2-bit hustle.

It's FRAUD - pure and simple. Put it on a scale along with Bernie Madoff. (Made-Off?)

It is bigger than that. Bernie Madoff destroyed billions in assets. Cap and Trade will destroy trillions in assets in this country alone. Multiply that by the other industrialized nations, and the catastrophe is global in nature. Add in the fact that a couple of the larger and more populous industrialized nations, which are given passes on carbon emissions by the UN and hence their national economies will not be affected, and which are now already ascendant economically, might become the next hyperpowers, relegating the U.S. to second tier status. Can you say "India," or "China?"

Does anyone seriously think that an ascendant Russia under Putin, seeking to reestablish its former military presence and influence over the former Soviet satellite states, would give more than 5 minutes of lip service to regulating carbon emissions?

The scale of this is huge. Waaaaaaaaaaaay bigger than Madoff. Furthermore, it exposes the clammy underbelly of academia for what it is. If this news really gains traction, maybe we can begin to hope for a housecleaning in the nation's universities. It is about time they reestablish the fundamentals of intellectual rigor and critical thinking.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:Scam is too nice a word for it. That implies some 2-bit hustle.

It's FRAUD - pure and simple. Put it on a scale along with Bernie Madoff. (Made-Off?)

It is bigger than that. Bernie Madoff destroyed billions in assets. Cap and Trade will destroy trillions in assets in this country alone. Multiply that by the other industrialized nations, and the catastrophe is global in nature. Add in the fact that a couple of the larger and more populous industrialized nations, which are given passes on carbon emissions by the UN and hence their national economies will not be affected, and which are now already ascendant economically, might become the next hyperpowers, relegating the U.S. to second tier status. Can you say "India," or "China?"

Does anyone seriously think that an ascendant Russia under Putin, seeking to reestablish its former military presence and influence over the former Soviet satellite states, would give more than 5 minutes of lip service to regulating carbon emissions?

The scale of this is huge. Waaaaaaaaaaaay bigger than Madoff. Furthermore, it exposes the clammy underbelly of academia for what it is. If this news really gains traction, maybe we can begin to hope for a housecleaning in the nation's universities. It is about time they reestablish the fundamentals of intellectual rigor and critical thinking.

Do y'all REALLY believe that this will gain any traction?.... With the Lame Media we now have?...I believe they will "Sweep this Story Under the Rug"!

longhorn_92 wrote: Do y'all REALLY believe that this will gain any traction?.... With the Lame Media we now have?...I believe they will "Sweep this Story Under the Rug"!

That is a distinct possibility. But the radio talk-shows won't let it die easily.

All global warming has ever been is a power grab. Cap and Trade and all the other things they propose do nothing for the environment, but consolidate power into a cabal of elitists. This is the end goal of the entire environmental movement - merely to get government control over the means of production. It's another play of the socialist playbook.

We're all the frog in the pot. The water is close to boiling but we don't realize it because the temperature has slowly gone up one degree by one degree.

Fraud aside, I can't wait to see the corrected analysis of pending global temperature change. That's the thing to focus on. And face it, some of these emissions worldwide need to be cleaned up on general principle.

The crazier people get with worries about anthropogenic climate change, the more I'm reminded of a great sci-fi book: Fallen Angels.

The Wall Street Journal mentioned that it was a hoax, too. I've seen an ancient Nat Geo article (sorry forgot which issue) that said that there is evidence for GLOBAL COOLING. This is called the "little ice age". The earth was entering another ice age, but our burning of fossil fuels stopped this ice age.

This global warming is a hoax meant to stop developing emerging economies from realizing their potential and becoming a competitor to the first world western powers. It's all just dirty rotten politics. You see, countries have to develop from wood burners to fossil burners to nuclear power. By stopping their full development as a fossil burner, they prevent economic development into the next phase, nuclear power. In other words, you can't get peaceful nuclear power tomorrow if you're in the stone age today. There is a natural progression of sorts.