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Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Te

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:01 pm
by The Annoyed Man
This is just the dumbest thing. Good for these guys for insisting on Courts Martial!

Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
Tuesday, November 24, 2009
By Rowan Scarborough
Fox News
Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq — the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004. And three of the SEALs who captured him are now facing criminal charges, sources told FoxNews.com.

The three, all members of the Navy's elite commando unit, have refused non-judicial punishment — called an admiral's mast — and have requested a trial by court-martial.

Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named "Objective Amber," told investigators he was punched by his captors — and he had the bloody lip to prove it.

Now, instead of being lauded for bringing to justice a high-value target, three of the SEAL commandos, all enlisted, face assault charges and have retained lawyers.

Matthew McCabe, a Special Operations Petty Officer Second Class (SO-2), is facing three charges: dereliction of performance of duty for willfully failing to safeguard a detainee, making a false official statement, and assault.

Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe, SO-2, is facing charges of dereliction of performance of duty and making a false official statement.

Petty Officer Julio Huertas, SO-1, faces those same charges and an additional charge of impediment of an investigation.

The three SEALs will be arraigned separately on Dec. 7. Another three SEALs — two officers and an enlisted sailor — have been identified by investigators as witnesses but have not been charged.

FoxNews.com obtained the official handwritten statement from one of the three witnesses given on Sept. 3, hours after Abed was captured and still being held at the SEAL base at Camp Baharia. He was later taken to a cell in the U.S.-operated Green Zone in Baghdad.

The SEAL told investigators he had showered after the mission, gone to the kitchen and then decided to look in on the detainee.

"I gave the detainee a glance over and then left," the SEAL wrote. "I did not notice anything wrong with the detainee and he appeared in good health."

Lt. Col. Holly Silkman, spokeswoman for the special operations component of U.S. Central Command, confirmed Tuesday to FoxNews.com that three SEALs have been charged in connection with the capture of a detainee. She said their court martial is scheduled for January.

United States Central Command declined to discuss the detainee, but a legal source told FoxNews.com that the detainee was turned over to Iraqi authorities, to whom he made the abuse complaints. He was then returned to American custody. The SEAL leader reported the charge up the chain of command, and an investigation ensued.

The source said intelligence briefings provided to the SEALs stated that "Objective Amber" planned the 2004 Fallujah ambush, and "they had been tracking this guy for some time."

The Fallujah atrocity came to symbolize the brutality of the enemy in Iraq and the degree to which a homegrown insurgency was extending its grip over Iraq.

The four Blackwater agents were transporting supplies for a catering company when they were ambushed and killed by gunfire and grenades. Insurgents burned the bodies and dragged them through the city. They hanged two of the bodies on a bridge over the Euphrates River for the world press to photograph.

Intelligence sources identified Abed as the ringleader, but he had evaded capture until September.

The military is sensitive to charges of detainee abuse highlighted in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. The Navy charged four SEALs with abuse in 2004 in connection with detainee treatment.
By forcing this to go to trial, these SEALs can give the policy makers who decide the ROE under which they have to operate a real black eye. Mirandizing captured terrorists on the field of battle? Charging four good men with a crime because a murderous scumbag got a split lip during his arrest?

Give. Me. A. Break!

When the administration and the Pentagon catch the flack this story is going to generate in their direction, maybe they'll wake up and smell the coffee.

Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Te

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:32 pm
by mctowalot
BO will probably go and kiss the "mans" booboo and then put a bandaid on it.
The images of those men being drug and hung should haunt America forever. What made it worse were the grinning, dancing animals that pass for people doing it. So sad so many here won't even remember the event. It should be played on a loop during the Court Martial.

Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Te

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:59 pm
by williamkevin
The Annoyed Man wrote:This is just the dumbest thing. Good for these guys for insisting on Courts Martial!

Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
Tuesday, November 24, 2009
By Rowan Scarborough
Fox News
Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq — the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004. And three of the SEALs who captured him are now facing criminal charges, sources told FoxNews.com.

The three, all members of the Navy's elite commando unit, have refused non-judicial punishment — called an admiral's mast — and have requested a trial by court-martial.

Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named "Objective Amber," told investigators he was punched by his captors — and he had the bloody lip to prove it.

Now, instead of being lauded for bringing to justice a high-value target, three of the SEAL commandos, all enlisted, face assault charges and have retained lawyers.

Matthew McCabe, a Special Operations Petty Officer Second Class (SO-2), is facing three charges: dereliction of performance of duty for willfully failing to safeguard a detainee, making a false official statement, and assault.

Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe, SO-2, is facing charges of dereliction of performance of duty and making a false official statement.

Petty Officer Julio Huertas, SO-1, faces those same charges and an additional charge of impediment of an investigation.

The three SEALs will be arraigned separately on Dec. 7. Another three SEALs — two officers and an enlisted sailor — have been identified by investigators as witnesses but have not been charged.

FoxNews.com obtained the official handwritten statement from one of the three witnesses given on Sept. 3, hours after Abed was captured and still being held at the SEAL base at Camp Baharia. He was later taken to a cell in the U.S.-operated Green Zone in Baghdad.

The SEAL told investigators he had showered after the mission, gone to the kitchen and then decided to look in on the detainee.

"I gave the detainee a glance over and then left," the SEAL wrote. "I did not notice anything wrong with the detainee and he appeared in good health."

Lt. Col. Holly Silkman, spokeswoman for the special operations component of U.S. Central Command, confirmed Tuesday to FoxNews.com that three SEALs have been charged in connection with the capture of a detainee. She said their court martial is scheduled for January.

United States Central Command declined to discuss the detainee, but a legal source told FoxNews.com that the detainee was turned over to Iraqi authorities, to whom he made the abuse complaints. He was then returned to American custody. The SEAL leader reported the charge up the chain of command, and an investigation ensued.

The source said intelligence briefings provided to the SEALs stated that "Objective Amber" planned the 2004 Fallujah ambush, and "they had been tracking this guy for some time."

The Fallujah atrocity came to symbolize the brutality of the enemy in Iraq and the degree to which a homegrown insurgency was extending its grip over Iraq.

The four Blackwater agents were transporting supplies for a catering company when they were ambushed and killed by gunfire and grenades. Insurgents burned the bodies and dragged them through the city. They hanged two of the bodies on a bridge over the Euphrates River for the world press to photograph.

Intelligence sources identified Abed as the ringleader, but he had evaded capture until September.

The military is sensitive to charges of detainee abuse highlighted in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. The Navy charged four SEALs with abuse in 2004 in connection with detainee treatment.
By forcing this to go to trial, these SEALs can give the policy makers who decide the ROE under which they have to operate a real black eye. Mirandizing captured terrorists on the field of battle? Charging four good men with a crime because a murderous scumbag got a split lip during his arrest?

Give. Me. A. Break!

When the administration and the Pentagon catch the flack this story is going to generate in their direction, maybe they'll wake up and smell the coffee.
OH FOR THE LOVE OF PETE!!!! What is CENTCOM thinking?!

I agree, good move by requesting a trial by courts martial. It puts all the evidence in front of a jury. I just hope the jury appointments are fair. I'll be watching this one.... :waiting:

Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Te

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:31 am
by Purplehood
The three SEALs will be arraigned separately on Dec. 7. Another three SEALs — two officers and an enlisted sailor — have been identified by investigators as witnesses but have not been charged.
This will be the Navy Departments newest Day of Infamy.

Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Te

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:00 am
by bdickens
I can't even say what I need to say here....

Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Te

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:30 pm
by Tha_Veteran
:iagree:

Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Te

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:31 pm
by texxas guy
bdickens wrote:I can't even say what I need to say here....
+ 1000! "This is wrong on so many levels......I mean these guys were selected to be Seals, not tea party hosts. :banghead:

Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Te

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:27 pm
by Tha_Veteran
It is an insult of the worst kind, but I dont think they will be convicted. That guy is luck that that was all he had was busted lip.

Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Te

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:57 pm
by The Annoyed Man
Tha_Veteran wrote:It is an insult of the worst kind, but I dont think they will be convicted. That guy is luck that that was all he had was busted lip.
He's lucky to be alive, after what he did. I'm not sure I could have shown the same restraint these SEALs did. They are true professionals. Hell, they don't even apply that standard to street cops on the beat. If a civilian prisoner gets a little roughed up because he put up resistance to arrest, that's just too bad for him. And now they want to apply an even more stringent standard to military personnel operating on the battlefield? That is INSANE!!! What kind of administration would pursue such a policy?

Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Te

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:06 pm
by williamkevin
Purplehood wrote:
The three SEALs will be arraigned separately on Dec. 7. Another three SEALs — two officers and an enlisted sailor — have been identified by investigators as witnesses but have not been charged.
This will be the Navy Departments newest Day of Infamy.
Ironic, isn't it?

Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Te

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:39 pm
by C-dub
I hear that this may be payback for the possible loose interpretation of ROE when the SEALs took out those pirates holding Captain Phillips. The news reported that BO gave the clearance for the shots, but that may have only been them seeing the people approve of the action and then decide to take the credit.

Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Te

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:13 am
by A-R
Ludicrous. Lunacy.

That terrorist punk is lucky he didn't get picked up by LAPD or NYPD.

If only Vic Mackey was real ... let him make all the arrests in Iraq

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Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Te

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:16 am
by stash
When I first heard about this I could not believe it. Still Cannot. I always respected the Navy Seals and what they do but have a new founded respect for these men after just finishing Lone Survivor, written by one of our own (a Texan).

Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Te

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:35 am
by Zee
McCabe is charged with one count each of assault of the detainee, dereliction of duty and making a false official statement, Silkman said.

Keefe is charged with one count each of dereliction of duty and false official statement; Huertas is accused of dereliction of duty, making a false official statement and impeding an investigation, she said.


http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/11/n ... h_112509w/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The assault charge is only part of the story.

Re: Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Te

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:12 am
by The Annoyed Man
Zee wrote:McCabe is charged with one count each of assault of the detainee, dereliction of duty and making a false official statement, Silkman said.

Keefe is charged with one count each of dereliction of duty and false official statement; Huertas is accused of dereliction of duty, making a false official statement and impeding an investigation, she said.


http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/11/n ... h_112509w/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The assault charge is only part of the story.
And I don't care. That the Navy Times reports it doesn't make the charges valid. They are just reporting that the charges exist.

FWIW, I just deleted a much longer response regarding the role of the liberal press and unprincipled politicians like John Murtha in destroying the reputations and careers of the Haditha Marines who turned out to be innocent. The current legal situation in which these SEALS find themselves appears to me to be the same, and there are going to be voices in the media and in the inside the beltway chattering classes who will behave exactly the same. For my part, those charges are meaningless until they are proven in a court martial, because those men are innocent until proven guilty.