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AD at Busy Restaurant in OH
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:37 am
by BigJohn
I just saw this story posted this morning. A CHL licensed man put on his jacket prior to leaving a restaurant, after drinking
, and had an AD that struck his girlfriend's Blackberry. The phone stopped the bullet! Must have been a .380? Here is a link.
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Re: AD at Busy Restaurant in OH
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:40 am
by flb_78
More likely it was an North American Arms mini 22, probably loaded with 22shorts.
Re: AD at Busy Restaurant in OH
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:06 pm
by surprise_i'm_armed
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It was a .32 caliber semi-auto, brand unknown.
The owner noticed that the slide was pulled back,
then it discharged.
"Happy Valentines Day, dear - BANG!!"
SIA
Re: AD at Busy Restaurant in OH
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:15 pm
by Mastodon
Check out the big brain on Holtvogt.
Re: AD at Busy Restaurant in OH
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:01 pm
by davidtx
How in the world does the slide get pulled back without him knowing it?
Re: AD at Busy Restaurant in OH
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:55 pm
by surprise_i'm_armed
My guess is that this was a "Mighty Mouse" gun -
able to pull its own slide back! :-)
SIA
Re: AD at Busy Restaurant in OH
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:01 pm
by 5thGenTexan
Guess she now has a real Crackberry
Re: AD at Busy Restaurant in OH
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:07 pm
by surprise_i'm_armed
This guy made a poor choice of weapon on 2 counts:
1. A slide that somehow is pulled back while putting on
his jacket? Probably due to human factors, though.
2. He conceivably carried this gun for protection. But a
friend showed me his Crackberry. It's a rather thin thing,
but that .32 bullet didn't even have enough power to go
all the way through it? Really?
If his mouse gun couldn't penetrate a Blackberry, what
do you think the disabling penetration prospects would
be if he were attacked by someone with a heavy winter
coat on? This happened in Ohio.
Sheesh.
SIA
Re: AD at Busy Restaurant in OH
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:28 pm
by Bart
Firing out of battery? Was it a Bryco?
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:The owner noticed that the slide was pulled back,
then it discharged.
Re: AD at Busy Restaurant in OH
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:32 pm
by KFP
Bart wrote:Firing out of battery? Was it a Bryco?
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:The owner noticed that the slide was pulled back,
then it discharged.
It is important to note that the gun actually
did fire. I've only seen Brycos that
won't.
Re: AD at Busy Restaurant in OH
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:34 pm
by marksiwel
Bad Caliber Choice, bad weapon choice.
Invest some money on these things people. The blackberry cost more than the gun!
Re: AD at Busy Restaurant in OH
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:51 pm
by Embalmo
Was that restaurant a 51%? Does Ohio CC laws prohibit carry anywhere alcohol is sold? Me wanna' know. I can't imagine a snag of the coat pulling the slide back. My guess is that the slide was somehow back when he put it in his pocket, possibly with a slide lock, and the tug of the shirt popped it in place and pulled the trigger.
Embalmo
Re: AD at Busy Restaurant in OH
Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:26 am
by Kythas
Embalmo wrote:Was that restaurant a 51%? Does Ohio CC laws prohibit carry anywhere alcohol is sold? Me wanna' know.
From the article:
He faces one charge of possession of a firearm in a liquor permit premises. The third-degree felony is punishable by up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.
From handgunlaw.us regarding Ohio law:
Sec. 2923.126. (B) … prohibited places.
From the Ohio Attorney General
The law sets forth several places where your license does not allow:
...
Licensed D-Liquor Permit premises in which any person is consuming liquor. Concealed firearms are
banned in premises for which a D permit has been issued or in an open air arena for which a permit of that
nature has been issued. There are some exceptions to this prohibition. The prohibition does not apply to
principal holder of D permit as long as principal holder is not consuming liquor. The prohibition does not
apply to an agent or employee of the principal holder who is also a peace officer who is also off duty.
Possession of a concealed firearm is allowed in a retail store with a D-6 or D-8 permit as long as concealed
carry license holder is not consuming liquor. Class D permits are generally issued to an establishment that
sells alcohol for consumption on the premises. In any event, be certain of the type of permit and whether
liquor is being consumed before you enter with a concealed handgun.
Seems to me licensed carry is prohibited at any establishment that has a license to consume liquor on premises, except a D-6 or D-8 license (whatever those are, I'll assume they're restaurant type establishments) as long as the license holder isn't drinking. The article stated this person had been drinking. This being the case, he shouldn't have been carrying.
Re: AD at Busy Restaurant in OH
Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:31 am
by KD5NRH
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:2. He conceivably carried this gun for protection. But a
friend showed me his Crackberry. It's a rather thin thing,
but that .32 bullet didn't even have enough power to go
all the way through it? Really?
Haven't seen the Blackberry's guts, but it's been popular for a while now to make the cases and/or liners of personal electronics out of some pretty tough stuff. Titanium, high-strength aluminum alloys and Kevlar have all been used in various attempts to make PDAs and phones survive being dropped, crushed, etc.
Frankly, I'm impressed that the impact bruised her after being spread over a relatively large area by an object several times the bullet's weight. That takes more energy than most people give the .32ACP credit for. Must be why it was the round of choice for sending incompetent assassins after archdukes.
Re: AD at Busy Restaurant in OH
Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:32 am
by 03Lightningrocks
"The boyfriend went to put on his coat and accidentally discharged the handgun he had.
Modern day technology literally saved an Ohio woman's life. Police in Butler Township say a 22 year old woman and her boyfriend were drinking at a restaurant. The boyfriend went to put on his coat and accidentally discharged the handgun he had.
The bullet hit the woman's Blackberry that she had in her pocket. Captain Carl Bush says, "Very lucky for her is that in her pants pocket, or jeans pocket, she had her Blackberry. And the Blackberry stopped the bullet. Drinking and guns definitely do not go together."
The woman only got a bruise, but her boyfriend is facing a third-degree felony for bringing a gun into a place that sells liquor. The woman's Blackberry did not survive the bullet damage. Modern day technology literally saved an Ohio woman's life. Police in Butler Township say a 22 year old woman and her boyfriend were drinking at a restaurant. The boyfriend went to put on his coat and accidentally discharged the handgun he had.
The bullet hit the woman's Blackberry that she had in her pocket. Captain Carl Bush says, "Very lucky for her is that in her pants pocket, or jeans pocket, she had her Blackberry. And the Blackberry stopped the bullet. Drinking and guns definitely do not go together."
The woman only got a bruise, but her boyfriend is facing a third-degree felony for bringing a gun into a place that sells liquor. The woman's Blackberry did not survive the bullet damage."
Interesting...wonder where I have heard that before. Yes, I realize the same thing COULD have happened without the drinking... BUT IT DIDN'T. IT HAPPENED AFTER DRINKING.
I don't agree with blaming the gun. Blaming the gun would be playing into the Brady Bunch ideology? I blame the person...and the fact that he made the decision to drink while handling firearms. No way that gun just went off on it's own. That dip stick was intoxicated and inadvertently pulled the bang switch. He then did the same thing all morons do when they get an AD. They claim it just went off.