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Wasp/Hornet Spray (Stream)
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:59 am
by stash
Hope this is being posted in the right place. I read an article the other day about wasp/hornet type sprays which indicated they are effective in stopping an assailant by blinding them for a period of time. The thing that seemed pretty good about them is they put a stream out about 20 feet. Now I know that Texas law says something about these types of items (mace/chili spray) can only be carried in small amounts (2-4 ozs.) but this wasp/hornet stuff comes in like 12-16 oz. cans and I wonder if they would be legal. I know they would be to big to carry but one around the house or in the car might be a good thing. I really like the 20 foot stream that they put out.
Re: Wasp/Hornet Spray (Stream)
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:28 am
by The Annoyed Man
It is also poisonous. It may or may not be effective in the application you propose... I don't know about that. But I do know that if I was legally justified in poisoning someone from 20 feet away, I would probably also be justified in shooting them.
Personally, I think using wasp spray as a human deterrent is not a good idea. What if you don't blind the assailant, and instead just tick him off worse than he already is?
Also, did some research....
http://www0.epinions.com/review/Raid_Wa ... 7089136260
Observations
Raid Wasp & Hornet Spray is an extraordinarily effective product. That means it is extremely toxic to bees and humans, so real care has to be taken to assure you are handling this product in the safest possible manner. I would certainly recommend gloves, eyewear and avoid contact with your skin as per instructions on the can. In addition the manufacturer recommends you remove any clothing that has been sprayed with Raid Wasp & Hornet Spray and rinse for 15 minutes.
The active ingredients include:
.20% Tetramethrin…. A suspected carcinogen and neuro toxicant
.20% Peremethrin…Carcinogen, endocrine, gastrointestinal, neuro, reproductive & liver toxicant
99.6% Other Ingredients
You have to understand that while these are toxic ingredients, you really do not know how much is enough to cause you injury. If you are pregnant, do you really want to use this product?
What about the 99.6% of other ingredients? We are label readers and many assume that because the product isn’t listed that the 99.6% of other ingredients is safe, not so! I a report by the New York environmental Protection Bureau, dated May 200 ordered by Elliot Spitzer, New Yorks Attorney General,** it was determined \“Pesticide products contain a variety of ingredients that either are known to be toxic or have not been adequately tested for toxicity and the public is denied of their presence.” These inert products can include :
Chlorethane
Cresoils
Dibutylphthalate
Dimethylphthalate
Epichlohydrin
Isophorone
Napthalene
Phenol
Toulene
that can cause nausea, vomiting, stomach cramps, skin, eye irritations, pancreatitis, nervous system disruption, dizziness, respiratory paralysis, comas and a sundry assortment of maladies including death.
Now, please do not get the impression that I am a raging environmentalist here; this is not the purpose of this piece. While Raid Wasp & Hornet Spray is an extraordinary exterminating spray, I want you to be keenly aware that it is also a product with that needs to be used with the utmost care. While the above list of products is not a laundry list of ingredients, Raid chooses not to reveal them to you leaving the consumer in the dark about the product they throw into their shopping carts. In the absence of information, know that these are the likely candidates for the “Other Ingredients” list. Do you want to spray this in your home, where you, your kids, pets reside? I would likely isolate the area and follow up with a thorough cleaning afterwards. Enough about the caveats.
I would not want to be using this product in any situation where wind, for instance, or other environmental variables (like being inside my car) might cause
me to be exposed to the effects when using it. Far simpler and less risk to me to just shoot the sonofagun. The bottom line for me is that anyone who can be deterred from 20 feet away by an aerosol bug spray probably isn't enough of a threat to me to require the use of deadly force. I'd rather just walk away. And anyone who
is a serious threat to me from 20 feet away is gonna get shot if he comes any closer.
Re: Wasp/Hornet Spray (Stream)
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:43 am
by LaserTex
And hope you do kill them as intentionally blinding someone with poison spray will at least get you a lawsuit.
Doug (not a lawyer nor do I want to be)
Re: Wasp/Hornet Spray (Stream)
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:45 am
by longtooth
As a carried weapon there are much better secondary non lethal weapons than the wasp spray.
The application that it does have is for instance at work where most cannot carry.
When in the Pattern shop at the foundry, Spring brought a lot of those critters in & out of open doors & windows. There were several cans around there.
If you are working in any kind of warehouse, store room, it may be a viable option.
If your work station is one of 86 6X8 cubicles on the 2nd floor it probably would raise some ?s.
Re: Wasp/Hornet Spray (Stream)
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:46 am
by MoJo
What TAM said +1.
Re: Wasp/Hornet Spray (Stream)
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:54 am
by The Annoyed Man
LaserTex wrote:And hope you do kill them as intentionally blinding someone with poison spray will at least get you a lawsuit.
Doug (not a lawyer nor do I want to be)
My point exactly.
Re: Wasp/Hornet Spray (Stream)
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:08 am
by silverbear
I remember reading a folk-lore type of email where granny used it at a deterrent at the country bank she worked at to stop a robber - or something like that. I've also heard its good for walks where you may encounter unleashed dogs.
I personally carry pepper spray as part of my EDC these days as does my wife. Will probably continue to do so even after my plastic arrives. Effective range on my pocket carry pepper spray is about 15 feet. Its the stream, not the fog, type of unit.
Re: Wasp/Hornet Spray (Stream)
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:45 am
by tornado
This has also been covered by Snopes.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/waspspray.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Wasp/Hornet Spray (Stream)
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:06 am
by marksiwel
I will point out that its flammable. Very much so.
Re: Wasp/Hornet Spray (Stream)
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:16 am
by threoh8
Bug sprays are often nerve agents, and can do permanent damage.
During Desert Storm, we had an unplanned chemical attack drill when someone innocently sprayed for bugs near a chemical detector. It was not funny until much later.
I wouldn't plan on using it as a defensive weapon, but would consider it as a weapon of opportunity if nothing better is at hand.
Re: Wasp/Hornet Spray (Stream)
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:23 am
by marksiwel
threoh8 wrote:Bug sprays are often nerve agents, and can do permanent damage.
During Desert Storm, we had an unplanned chemical attack drill when someone innocently sprayed for bugs near a chemical detector. It was not funny until much later.
I wouldn't plan on using it as a defensive weapon, but would consider it as a weapon of opportunity if nothing better is at hand.
yep. Like a Fire Extinguisher. Would I carry one around for defense? No, but if it was laying around, go for it
Re: Wasp/Hornet Spray (Stream)
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:21 pm
by Rex B
I had always used ammonia in a trigger spray for dogs and cats. Also keeps them out of your trash.
I sure would not want a face full of it.
Can also be diluted with water, if you are one of those who carries a .22
Re: Wasp/Hornet Spray (Stream)
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:09 pm
by casingpoint
Some old gal in Jasper used a can of Raid on a mugger last summer. Stopped him cold. Cops had to take him to the hospital to stop the reaction. Fine product, that Raid. Works on wasps and bees, too.