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Just ran across this YouTube video and found it fascinating and a bit frightening (are those live rounds the instructor is firing into the dirt? )

Do any of y'all train like this?

Anyway, beware the instructor shouts a few choice words that would make a sailor's momma blush. But it's a bit muffled and guy has an accent, so not too bad.

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Holy Cats!! I think it goes without saying that I don't train like this. About the third time he kicked me while I was trying to do pushups and I may have been inclined to smack him in the face with the butt end of the gun that wouldn't fire! That's pretty insane!

T.

That's GOT to be a special ops military training facility! The sunken pit they are in...the berms reinforced with sandbags, plus full auto fire in the background. I really don't think that's for civilian training.

That's quite a facility. My guess it's in South Africa. The instructor's accent sounds like he's from those parts.

joe817 wrote:That's GOT to be a special ops military training facility!

If it was special ops I would expect better performance from the trainee.

I think training under stress is a good thing, once you have a good foundation in the basics. Competition provides one type of stress. Noise and disorientation provide a different kind of stress, and some private shooting schools will adopt some of the techniques a good DI uses, tempered by the fact the students are paying clients, not military recruits.

AndyC wrote:Taken in Iraq - yes, it's a South African "instructor" (I don't know him personally but I do know of him).

While it might appear extreme, it's actually pretty tame - he's nudging the trainee off-balance with his shin, not kicking him. I have a minor issue here and there with the way he's doing certain things, but overall my belief is that stress-inoculation is extremely valuable training.

Andy, are those live rounds the instructor is firing into the dirt right next to the trainee? That seems inherently dangerous to me, but then again it's probably much less dangerous that what the trainee will encounter in real combat.

Is that "normal" to have live fire that close to a person in such military training scenarios?

AndyC wrote:Taken in Iraq - yes, it's a South African "instructor" (I don't know him personally but I do know of him).

While it might appear extreme, it's actually pretty tame - he's nudging the trainee off-balance with his shin, not kicking him. I have a minor issue here and there with the way he's doing certain things, but overall my belief is that stress-inoculation is extremely valuable training.

Yeah, I was exaggerating...it was a push more than a kick, but it would still be very annoying.

T.

That isn't training, it's abuse. And it sure isn't our military.

bdickens wrote:That isn't training, it's abuse.

I'm sure I'd be grateful for such "abuse" if it helped me survive combat.

MadMonkey wrote:I'm sure I'd be grateful for such "abuse" if it helped me survive combat.

I understand but what if you can get equal or better results with less risk of injury or death? Does the pointless danger make the instructor and trainees "macho" or just reckless?

tacticool wrote:

MadMonkey wrote:I'm sure I'd be grateful for such "abuse" if it helped me survive combat.

I understand but what if you can get equal or better results with less risk of injury or death? Does the pointless danger make the instructor and trainees "macho" or just reckless?

The closer you get to actual conditions the better. No "legit" training in the USA will come close to giving you a fear for your life (at least nothing I've seen ads for). Blinking lights and a yelling instructor will only take you so far; you still know it's all fake.

From what I've seen a lot of training on the other side of the pond(s) is far more intense than anything we have in this lawsuit-happy country.

Geeze - whats the big deal??? - You should see dinner time at my house.


Of course I'm just joking.... I don't think that kind of training would really do any good. If you're at the stage of breaking down a soldier to build him up later, giving him ammo and stressing him out in a personal manner is probably not very smart.

MadMonkey wrote:From what I've seen a lot of training on the other side of the pond(s) is far more intense than anything we have in this lawsuit-happy country.

I know that the big name CQB shops in the country will do live fire training as far as instructors/facilitators in the rooms being breached posing as hostages in close proximity to shoot house targets.

That would amp me up. But I agree that its very different when the paper isn't shooting back.

UncleBob wrote:If you're at the stage of breaking down a soldier to build him up later, giving him ammo and stressing him out in a personal manner is probably not very smart.

This looks to be far beyond basic training IMHO. Stress, noise, tired arms (pushups), etc. I'd guess it's some sort of special forces or something along those lines, not regular military.