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I was at Eagle Peak today, there was a group of Gentleman one in an Army uniform, and another guy who I overheard said he was an APD Officer.
They couldn't get the broad side of a barn. They had a nice set of Kimber 1911s and a Berreta 92. Just couldnt get on Target.

Two other guys next to me, Father and Son, had a 9mm CZ, couldnt hit anything.

I dont consider myself a Great Shooter, Average at best. But I shouldnt be running circles on you with a Glock 26 and cheap Ammo (Monarch)

Do you step in and say "You're doing this all wrong" or do you hold your tongue?

Unless they are doing something unsafe, best keep it to yourself. However, if they comment on how well you are shooting compared to them, then you can open up the conversation and maybe provide pointers. Just remember, many men are very egotistical and don't like to be told they don't know what they are doing.

Keith B wrote:Unless they are doing something unsafe, best keep it to yourself. However, if they comment on how well you are shooting compared to them, then you can open up the conversation and maybe provide pointers. Just remember, many men are very egotistical and don't like to be told they don't know what they are doing.

Good advice, I rarely run into anyone at the range that is openly asking for pointers on how to shoot. (Not that they should be asking me, Im an average shooter.)

Keith B wrote:Unless they are doing something unsafe, best keep it to yourself. However, if they comment on how well you are shooting compared to them, then you can open up the conversation and maybe provide pointers. Just remember, many men are very egotistical and don't like to be told they don't know what they are doing.

100%

As long as they're not blatantly disobeying the 4 rules I leave them be unless they strike up a conversation or ask for help. If they do so, I'm more than happy to offer pointers. I am a self-taught shooter, no formal training whatsoever, and believe I am average at best. But I've been shooting handguns for 13 years now and rifles longer than that. So if someone is a true newbie, I can probably at least point them toward the road to mediocrity

Even if they are doing something really stupid and violating the 4 rules, I will alert the range staff before I'll confront someone with a gun in their hand. That's the range employee's job, not mine. If it's really out of hand, I would just leave and not return to that range.

[quote....step in and say "You're doing this all wrong"....[/quote]

Yepper, that's what YOU should do.

boomerang wrote:

Hope he's sure the chamber is empty, cuz he's pointing at his foot.

It couldn’t be any worst than a couple of people in my CHL class! I’m more afraid of them than I am of the bad guys on the street. The instructor was a bit generous in his grading to say the least.

Elza wrote:It couldn’t be any worst than a couple of people in my CHL class! I’m more afraid of them than I am of the bad guys on the street. The instructor was a bit generous in his grading to say the least.

1 fellow CHL'rs to be could not hit the paper. They were not even close to the required points to qualify, so the instructor told them to be sure to practice at the gun range before actually carrying. They were passed and I can only hope they practiced a lot

I've had folks ask for advice after a friendly conversation was struck up and they seen mine and my sons targets...
I would never offer shooting advice unless asked. One way is to start off a friendly " Nice gun you got there" conversation and see if they ask for advice...Most folks will if they are frustrated with their shooting.

If they don't ask, I don't tell. Safety - - - I'm one of the Range Safety Officers at my club so I have to handle that can 'o worms.

I've been shooting for half a century and I have to say that since the great surge of gun buying I have never seen so many who know so little wandering around in so much fog.

I do not envy the Marine and Army instructors who have to teach shooting to so many who look like the guy above.

MoJo wrote:If they don't ask, I don't tell. Safety - - - I'm one of the Range Safety Officers at my club so I have to handle that can 'o worms.

How do you put up with some peoples ignorance on a daily basis? I couldn't do it. I have seen a range safety officer warn a guy 3 times on the same cease fire to not touch anything on his bench. Then when the range was made hot he swept the officer and got thrown out. I couldn't handle those people all day.

I am also like the majority, If they don't ask I won't say anything. I did have a guy in a stall next to me that was manually cocking his hammer on a semi auto on the first shot. Upon cease fire I politely told him he could just pull the trigger because the gun was in Double Action mode and he appreciated the information very much because he had shot rifles before but was new to pistols.

The more you practice the better you get. Who would of thought of that. About a year and a half ago I got my glock 27 and I thought it was to much for me. I was wrong I can shoot it dead accurate at 15 yards with 2 1/2- 3in groupings and shooting pretty quick at that. I said the same thing about my 10mm and guess what I have put 600 rounds through it so far and I am doing quite well. Of course I have put over a 1800 rounds through the 27 and don't just aim at the target. I pick an area on the target or number or do head shots some times and don't just unload like crazy on the target. I take my time and sometimes quick fire but not to the point where I am just unloading the gun for fun. That will teach you very little but point and spray. I see many inexpericned shooters doing this. To top it off they are doing it at 5 yards. It is scary. Whenever I go down to the range I start at about 8-10 yards and work my way out. When I went last week the range master complamented me on my accuracy at 15 yards. As for as the cop not doing well at the range. My buddy is a cop and he carries an xd 4in .40 and I can out shoot him with my glock 27 within 15 yards. I practice more then he does. Practice, practice, practice. Have you ever seen those competition shooters? They put thousands and thousands of rounds down range a week. Practice does make perfect or at least better.

i say either keep it to yourself, assuming theres no saftey issue, or gently start a conversation to see if it's possible to steer it into a discussion of accuracy.

My cousin came to visit for a week (active Army, several tours in Iraq) and I took him to the range. He couldn't hit paper, never mind the 10 ring. Not only that but his grip was horrible, his stance was awkward, and he was yanking the trigger as fast as he could, can you say "spray and pray?"

Later on he broke out his DPMS AR15, and from 100 yards he was nailing 3 round groupings in nickle sized holes with open sights.

I probed a bit, but my feelings are this is a by-product of his combat time. That and the fact they don't get much range time with handguns.

BTW, he was using a Taurus 1911. I shot the same gun and shot nice groups. i gave him a few pointers and he was amazed at how much better he was getting after just changing his stance, better grip, and slowing his pace.