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possible kidnapping in progress what do you do?
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:20 pm
by CrimsonSoul
Ok, I just want to get this out because I am still on edge.
I was sitting in my apartment, watching my DvD of QI when I suddenly heard a woman screaming. Not the playful type of scream, but a scream of abject terror. It sounded like it was coming from the parking lot outside of my apartment. I looked out, but saw nothing immediately. I could still hear her, though. After a few seconds, I see a man dragging a woman across the parking lot. When I say "dragging" I mean it in the very real, her legs were scraping along the ground, DRAG. This man then proceeds to try and stuff the woman into the passenger side of a dark colored car. She struggled with him and got away briefly. He caught her again, though, and then picked her up and carried her off. They went through the walkway of the building behind mine and the screaming stopped.
I started getting dressed in order to go down and investigate or at least get the license plate number of the car. I was not fast enough, though, as when I looked out my window again, I saw him back at the car, this time succeeding in stuffing her into the passenger side. He was able to get to the drivers side and start the car.
Note this is NOT my experience it is from another poster in a different forum I visit. I posted what I would have done (grab firearm, confront suspect) and why I would have done it, because from the description given of the situation it looked like a possible kidnapping. A LEO on that forum said while what I proposed doing was noble that it was a bad idea to do so because if I confront him he may force me to fire at him or he may run and they don't catch him and that in that situation I should just be a good witness and point them where the car was driving. Basically he was saying it's people like me that let the bad guys get away by confronting them or "white-knighting" as the LEO put it. What if the car got away and the suspect was a kidnapper/rapist/murderer/etc? What would you do in this situation?
Rest of the story here
At that point, I saw my neighbors across the street start chasing after him. I joined. By the time we got out to the entrance to the complex, a police car was there and was directed towards the car. The cops were able to pull them over and got the woman out. Both of them had bruises and marks on them, but I can say with fairly good certainty that anything he had was from her trying to defend herself.
It turns out that these two are dating and have gone through this sort of thing before. Only last time, she dropped the charges. The cops separated them and eventually let the man go. We all wrote out statements for the police. She swears she won't drop the charges this time, but only time will tell on that.
Now what would you do in this situation?
Re: possible kidnapping in progress what do you do?
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:59 pm
by MoJo
Call the cops and be a good witness. Intervention in third party conflicts can be a slippery slope.
Re: possible kidnapping in progress what do you do?
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:16 pm
by Quahog
I would try to grab the phone, dial 911 and give as much info on the situation as I possibly could. Assuming I had the presence of mind to do so, I would also grab my cell and try to capture vehicle info / the crime on video. I wouldn't grab up my gun and pursue. It just seems like so many things could go wrong where you'd be left holding the bag.
Re: possible kidnapping in progress what do you do?
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:23 pm
by cougartex
Call the police.
Re: possible kidnapping in progress what do you do?
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:51 pm
by AEA
MoJo wrote:Call the cops and be a good witness. Intervention in third party conflicts can be a slippery slope.

Re: possible kidnapping in progress what do you do?
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:28 pm
by Excaliber
cougartex wrote:Call the police.
This is the safest responsible option for you. Many and quite possibly most of these situations turn out to be some version of a domestic dispute among folks in an abusive relationship that neither party really wants to end. Taking action as if it were a stranger to stranger kidnapping leads to more types of ugly endings than we have space to detail here.
AndyC wrote:Grab my pistol and mags, call 911 and get in my car and follow discreetly, passing info along to the police. The point being to pass acurate intel to the cops in real-time so they can pull him over, and if it turns out to be a harmless incident of some kind, so much the better.
This is a somewhat riskier but I think still responsible option. It is also the one most likely to lead to police rescue of an innocent person who is being transported against his or her will and is in actual immediate danger. Keep in mind that it's not a pursuit. If you take this course it needs to be done discreetly enough that it doesn't turn into a vehicle chase between you and the suspect's vehicle that would pose a severe hazard to everyone around. You need to be prepared and mentally disciplined enough to break off right away if it starts to turn that way and be content with providing police with whatever information you've been able to collect to that point.
Re: possible kidnapping in progress what do you do?
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:16 pm
by Y2bad4u
You have the right to protect a third person and keep in mind that if you just stay a witness, how would you feel if she was killed as he was kidnapping her or after he got her in the car and left? What you you lost sight of the car while waiting for the LEO to arrive? What if after that, you find out he killed her and dumped her? She could possibly be alive if you had intervened. I think the situation resolved in the best case possible, but I fear people get the mind frame to just watch, be a witness, and wait for LEO. EVERY SITUATION IS DIFFERENT, and must be analyzed every time, but please don't assume we should always be a witness.
Re: possible kidnapping in progress what do you do?
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:54 pm
by mrpesas
Y2bad4u wrote:You have the right to protect a third person and keep in mind that if you just stay a witness, how would you feel if she was killed as he was kidnapping her or after he got her in the car and left? What you you lost sight of the car while waiting for the LEO to arrive? What if after that, you find out he killed her and dumped her? She could possibly be alive if you had intervened. I think the situation resolved in the best case possible, but I fear people get the mind frame to just watch, be a witness, and wait for LEO. EVERY SITUATION IS DIFFERENT, and must be analyzed every time, but please don't assume we should always be a witness.
I agree with this thinking. I may be fried for this, but I don't think I could live with myself if I just "witnessed" the event and tried to do nothing. I'm all for holding all the interested parties until the police arrive and sort it out. I guess I try to think of myself or a loved one in that situation, and what would I want someone else to do?
Re: possible kidnapping in progress what do you do?
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:06 pm
by tarkus
Call 911. I'm not getting involved in domestic disputes.
Re: possible kidnapping in progress what do you do?
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:14 pm
by The Annoyed Man
CrimsonSoul wrote:Now what would you do in this situation?
Recommend a good marriage and family therapist?
Re: possible kidnapping in progress what do you do?
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:18 pm
by MoJo
OK here we go - - - You put on your good guy hat grab your good guy gun and mount your white charger and rush into something you know nothing about. As you are running up to the alleged kidnapper you shout for him to stop, he pulls a gun and - - - you get killed - - - you shoot an undercover police officer - - - you shoot a dad trying to get his daughter away from a bad situation - - - you shoot the girl - - - you miss and kill a 3 year old playing across the street. I can't say this loudly enough CALL THE POLICE! We have a Concealed Handgun License not a Dick Tracy Crime Stoppers badge.
Re: possible kidnapping in progress what do you do?
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:15 pm
by seniorshooteress
MoJo wrote:OK here we go - - - You put on your good guy hat grab your good guy gun and mount your white charger and rush into something you know nothing about. As you are running up to the alleged kidnapper you shout for him to stop, he pulls a gun and - - - you get killed - - - you shoot an undercover police officer - - - you shoot a dad trying to get his daughter away from a bad situation - - - you shoot the girl - - - you miss and kill a 3 year old playing across the street. I can't say this loudly enough CALL THE POLICE! We have a Concealed Handgun License not a Dick Tracy Crime Stoppers badge.

Re: possible kidnapping in progress what do you do?
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:52 pm
by chabouk
tarkus wrote:Call 911. I'm not getting involved in domestic disputes.
The fact that it was "domestic" was not in evidence at the time. That only became known after the fact.