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The search function didn't turn this up, and I'm a bit wary of passing on something that may be hoax-ish. I know many of these rules and regs have been in force on-base for some time, but the registration of personal firearms kept off-base in off-base housing seems a bit extreme to me, even if it is in keeping with some of the Commander-in-Chief's personal beliefs.

Has anyone else seen this, and can you confirm or deny it's veracity? The host site for the .pdf looks odd, but that may just be the only place it could have been put.

http://americanvision.org/2010/post/oba ... amendment/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Link to .pdf of the "proposed" rule changes:
http://www.garynorth.com/MilitaryGunLaw.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks for any gumshoe work y'all can do.

ETA: After doing a little more looking, I wonder if this is related to the Fort Campbell fiasco from last March. I can't find this .pdf anywhere else yet, and the Ft. Campbell document looks nothing like it. Still wondering...

That would appear to be a draft change to a local command regulation. I know of no Army Major Subordinate Command (MSC) that has a policy in place governing privately owned weapons (POW) stored in off post housing, other than to "require" the service member to comply with applicable local laws. I fully admit I only have visibility on a few installations right now,, so it could already be policy at some other location,,, Would love to read about it if someone has the reference.

POW's kept ON BASE in family quarters have been required to be registered with the Provost Marshall for as long as I have been in (24 years)
Soldiers that live in single soldier housing have always been required to store POW's in the unit arms room. Said soldier requests from the commander to remove them when they want to use them.
AR 190-11 (physical Security) Has always required POW's stored in the unit arms room to be inventoried along with the Military weapons.. (I had to do this as a young soldier when I was assigned as the unit armorer in 1986)

So the only thing I read in that proposed change document to an unspecified regulation or policy is the part about require POW’s stored in off post house to be registered.
You have to know a little bit about how draft documents come to be..

A commander at some level during a staff meeting, lunch or on the golf course says out loud.. “We should look at revising Regulation 111-1111 in reference to privately owned weapons”
One of the mid grade staff officers (a Major or so ) present records this utterance in a note pad.. Later in the day, week or month,,, he reads the note, and tasks a young captain in the S3 operations section to research Regulation 111-1111 and write a draft update concerning the paragraphs referencing POW’s.

Said CPT makes a note,, and gets to the task,, … eventually… What he writes is………. Umm, ,, an idea.. his understanding of what he thinks he was asked, which is a understanding of what that mid grade staff officer (A major ) thinks he was told by the commander. Then the real fun starts..
The draft is reviewed, by the Major, revision 1 is made, the new draft is reviewed by the commander, and additional guidance and redirection is given, The CPT then writes version 3, the MAJ corrects and adapts it to version 4, the commander reads it and makes minor corrections, changing it to version 5. It now goes to his headquarters Staff Judge Advocate (SJA) rep to conduct a legal review.

And guess what,,, it will at least get to revision 6.. most likely, back to the Major for revision 7, to start the Commander, to legal review all over again…. Getting the idea… This document posted looks to a revision 2 or so…..

Along the lines of BRONCO78's explanation of how things evolve, last December I mumbled, "It's a little chilly in here." My wife overheard me, and now, in addition to our gas furnace, we have infrared gas radiant heating throughout the house, a fireplace in each room, a sauna, solar heating, and 2 new fur coats for her

With summer coming, I am very reluctant to mention how warm it may be.

Thanks, bronco78. I had hoped it might only be a draft of something that may get kicked out to "File 13" at some later date.

It was passed on to me with a note that could very easily have slid into: "OMG! LOOK! THE END IS HERE!" I wonder if it will eventually wind up at Snopes, with a rational explanation.

When I was at Bragg, if you kept a personal weapon you could keep it on base with the company armorer. There was a mound of paper work to check it out though and its use was tracked which is a de facto registration. I had an 1863 Navy percussion revolver replica (very nice). The alternative was to keep it off post at someones residence, that's what was suggested and that's what I did. Leaving it with a lieutenant I knew and shot with from time to time.

The proposal I saw in the news recently wouldn't require registration of any POW unless it was brought onto the post/base. This brilliant after action report recommendation would seek to prevent another Fort Hood by standardizing across all DOD installations the exact same policy that was already in place at Fort Hood at the time of the shootings.



Of course, I don't think they should come up with something more restrictive. I think they should not just allow or even encourage, but require soldiers to be under arms.

When I was in Germany, we had the chance to stay in Bundeswehr barracks for a partnership event. Their wall lockers had rifle racks. I never heard of a German soldier doing anything stupid with his rifle.

sawdust wrote:Along the lines of BRONCO78's explanation of how things evolve, last December I mumbled, "It's a little chilly in here." My wife overheard me, and now, in addition to our gas furnace, we have infrared gas radiant heating throughout the house, a fireplace in each room, a sauna, solar heating, and 2 new fur coats for her

With summer coming, I am very reluctant to mention how warm it may be.

Think, man, think - there's an opportunity here! Make your next mumble something along the lines of: "We need more guns/ammo/reloading gear/to go hunting more"

chabouk wrote: When I was in Germany, we had the chance to stay in Bundeswehr barracks for a partnership event. Their wall lockers had rifle racks. I never heard of a German soldier doing anything stupid with his rifle.

Different demographic mix.

In the Navy, we used to "deep six" things like this...

And if we really didn't like it, it would get a lead weight tied to it, and no log entry of a latitude or longitude would be charted...