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Security - alive and well at Texas Stadium...NOT!

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:39 pm
by Chris
we decided to go to the football game last night. while i'm not a fan of football, i thought my two girls might like it. i had been carrying my beretta in my waistband, but for those tiny seats, i changed to a revolver in a pocket holster before we left for the game. good thing too. i was contemplating what kind of scene would be made when i informed them i was carrying a weaopn.

as we walked up to the gate, i see them searching people, or patting them down. just as i got ready to get out my ID, i stopped. i figured i'd try something. i walked up to the searcher, raised up my arms, and he started patting me down. they pat your chest, then rub their hands around your waistband. he never felt the butt of my revolver just barely sticking up from my pants pocket. so i cruise on in with 15 rounds of .357 magnum and a loaded revolver. i don't know what kind of security facade they're running, but please. i hope people don't feel safe just because they're patting people down.

well, we watched the game and left a few minutes before the end of the last quarter. as we got to the main stadium exit, i found out just how good security really is there. little did i know that I WAS the security. two guys are slugging it out right in front of us on the floor. i'm trying to get my kids back and get my wife to take them to the side. as i'm doing this, some friends of the combatants are starting to pull them apart. these guys continue trying to get to each other in a crowd of people and small kids, so i go up and convince them to go on their separate ways. one schmuck starts whining that he wanted to press charges. i told him if any charges were pressed it would be both of them for fighting in public. that was enough for him to leave. the sober friends helped in that respect. i think the shiny badge i had on was all the convincing they needed. thank goodness i slipped past security with my gun. i'm just glad they didn't do the same. i'm not a fan of getting involved in anything, but there are kids all over this place and these two drunks decide to duke it out in the exit doors. :roll:

and did security ever show up you ask? nope. no employees, no security, nothing.

oh, it gets better. i walk out to the car to find out my window is busted out where someone tried to steal my wife's jeep. chalk another one up to "i won't ever leave a gun in the car".

all in all, it was a s%$*ty trip and i never intend to go back.

the morale of this story? carry a gun everywhere you go. if they won't let you in with it, it isn't important enough to be there any way. you and your family's safety and security are far too precious to put it in the hands of those who only want to give you the false sense of it.

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:46 pm
by txinvestigator
What kind of "game" were you watching inside Texas Stadium?

What shiney badge did you have? Are you police?

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:49 pm
by KBCraig
I like football, but I'll watch it for free from my comfortable couch.

The beer concession is a lot cheaper, too. :grin:

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:51 pm
by Crossfire
Were you carrying under authority of your CHL? Or the authority of your "shiny badge"?

Cause your CHL does not give you the authority to carry at professional sporting events and I don't think your "shiny badge" allows you to carry concealed.

Please help me understand this, cause I am VERY confused.

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:52 pm
by txinvestigator
llwatson wrote:Were you carrying under authority of your CHL? Or the authority of your "shiny badge"?

Cause your CHL does not give you the authority to carry at professional sporting events and I don't think your "shiny badge" allows you to carry concealed.

Please help me understand this, cause I am VERY confused.
Me too.

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:56 pm
by KBCraig
txinvestigator wrote:What kind of "game" were you watching inside Texas Stadium?
Gee, maybe Minnesota versus Dallas? Texas Stadium, home of the Cowboys?

What shiney badge did you have? Are you police?
http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... highlight=

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:58 pm
by KBCraig
llwatson wrote:Cause your CHL does not give you the authority to carry at professional sporting events and I don't think your "shiny badge" allows you to carry concealed.
Why would you think a police officer couldn't carry concealed without a CHL?

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:05 pm
by Crossfire
KBCraig wrote:Why would you think a police officer couldn't carry concealed without a CHL?
I DON'T know. That's why I asked...

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:14 pm
by txinvestigator
KBCraig wrote:
txinvestigator wrote:What kind of "game" were you watching inside Texas Stadium?
Gee, maybe Minnesota versus Dallas? Texas Stadium, home of the Cowboys?

What shiney badge did you have? Are you police?
http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... highlight=
Texas Stadium also host other events, and from his post it appears he may be a cop. If he is not a cop, then perhaps he entered TS during a non-professional sporting event, because we KNOW he would not violate state law and enter a professional sporting event with a handgun unless he is a cop.

Thats why I asked. :roll:

and just so you know, not everyone lives vicariously through overpaid, egotistical, sports jerks and knows when they play where.
Why would you think a police officer couldn't carry concealed without a CHL?
why would you think we would assume he is a cop?

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:19 pm
by Chris
llwatson wrote:Were you carrying under authority of your CHL? Or the authority of your "shiny badge"?

Cause your CHL does not give you the authority to carry at professional sporting events and I don't think your "shiny badge" allows you to carry concealed.

Please help me understand this, cause I am VERY confused.
i have a CHL, but i am, and have been, a police officer for several years. the only reason i have a chl is because it cost me $20 and an application, and i don't have to go through nics checks.

the statutes relating to carrying a weapon, and places where weapons are prohibited are not applicable to peace officers.

i was at the cowboy/minnesota game.

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:25 pm
by txinvestigator
Chris wrote:
llwatson wrote:Were you carrying under authority of your CHL? Or the authority of your "shiny badge"?

Cause your CHL does not give you the authority to carry at professional sporting events and I don't think your "shiny badge" allows you to carry concealed.

Please help me understand this, cause I am VERY confused.
i have a CHL, but i am, and have been, a police officer for several years. the only reason i have a chl is because it cost me $20 and an application, and i don't have to go through nics checks.

the statutes relating to carrying a weapon, and places where weapons are prohibited are not applicable to peace officers.

i was at the cowboy/minnesota game.
and there it is. Thanks Chris. :thumbsup:

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:28 pm
by KBCraig
txinvestigator wrote:
Why would you think a police officer couldn't carry concealed without a CHL?
why would you think we would assume he is a cop?
Aside from carrying a badge and breaking up a fight (and responding to a request to "press charges"), there's also the fact that he's referred to his duty weapons, and has posted photos and tales in the "LEO bloopers" thread.

When I first read his post, I was thinking the same thing: "Uh-oh, CHL carrying at a professional sporting event?" Then I saw his comment about the badge, and I thought, "Uh-oh, CHL with a 'Concealed Carry Badge' is playing cop!"

So I took all of 15 seconds to look at his past posts, and see that his is a LEO.

Kevin

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:29 pm
by Crossfire
Chris wrote: i have a CHL, but i am, and have been, a police officer for several years. the only reason i have a chl is because it cost me $20 and an application, and i don't have to go through nics checks.

the statutes relating to carrying a weapon, and places where weapons are prohibited are not applicable to peace officers.
Well, now I know. Thanks, Chris.

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:36 pm
by KBCraig
llwatson wrote:
KBCraig wrote:Why would you think a police officer couldn't carry concealed without a CHL?
I DON'T know. That's why I asked...
Well, it was more of a statement: "I don't think your 'shiny badge' allows you to carry concealed."

I'm not trying to be argumentative. I believe you honestly didn't know, and now you do. But I'm still curious, because detectives or other plain clothes police carry concealed, so it seems pretty obvious that they are authorized to do so. Not all police officers carry openly in uniforms.

Just so everyone does know, all qualified active LEOs, and all qualified retired LEOs, are exempt from all state and local laws restricting concealed carry, except for state (not local) laws against carry in government buildings, and state laws allowing private property owners to restrict carry of handguns.

The law is LEOSA, the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004, Public Law 108-277.

Kevin

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:22 pm
by KBCraig
For clarification, I should add that LEOSA is a federal law, and covers officers who leave their home states. While on their home turf, they're only limited by whatever their state laws are.

Kevin