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Who is easily manipulated?

Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 9:41 pm
by KC5AV
The following is from the blog of a gentleman by the name of Seth Godin. His blogs tend to deal with marketing, but can be applied to so much more.

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Sometimes (and too often) marketers work to manipulate people. I define manipulation as working to spread an idea or generate an action that is not in a person's long-term best interest.

The easiest people to manipulate are those that don't demand a lot of information, are open to messages from authority figures and are willing to make decisions on a hunch, particularly if there's a promise of short-term gains.

If you want to focus on the short run and sell something, get a vote or gather a mob, the easiest place to start is with populations that leave themselves open to manipulation.

There are habits and activities that leave people open to manipulation. I'm not saying they are wrong or right, just pointing out that these behaviors make you open to being manipulated... Here are a few general categories of behaviors that manipulators seek out:

* Believing something because you heard someone say it on a news show on cable TV.
* Being a child (or acting like one).
* Buying penny stocks.
* Repeating a mantra heard from a figurehead or leader of a tribe without considering whether it's true.
* Trying to find a short cut to lose weight, make money or achieve some other long-term goal.
* Ignoring the scientific method and embracing unexamined traditional methods instead.
* Focusing on (and believing) easily gamed bestseller lists or crowds.
* Inability to tolerate fear and uncertainty.
* Focus on now at the expense of the long term.
* Allowing the clothes of the messenger (a uniform, a suit and tie, a hat) to influence your perception of the information he delivers (add gender, fame, age and race to this too).
* Reliance on repetition and frequency to decide what's true.
* Desire to stick with previously made decisions because cognitive dissonance is strong.
* Inability to ignore sunk costs.
* Problem saying 'no' in social situations.

Interesting to note that AM radio used to be filled with ads for second mortgages. And now? Gold.

Manipulating people using modern techniques is astonishingly easy (if the marketer has few morals). You only make it easier when you permit people and organizations that want to take advantage of you to do so by allowing them to use your good nature and your natural instincts against you. It happens every day in Washington DC, online, on TV and in your local community institutions.

Re: Who is easily manipulated?

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 6:49 am
by longtooth
SmoothFox wrote:You mean like religion? "rlol"
That is not funny but insuting to me personally & the majority of this board.
LT

Re: Who is easily manipulated?

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:34 am
by KC5AV
SmoothFox wrote:You mean like religion? "rlol"

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No, I meant things like the media, the antis, ourselves. We're all subject to being manipulated on some level.

Re: Who is easily manipulated?

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:28 am
by Drewthetexan
If you really want to get into it, I'd highly recommend reading Influence: Science and Practice by Robert Cialdini. This book really altered how I interact with people, particularly ones that are trying to sell me something, be it ideas, products, or whatever.
Influence: Science and Practice is an examination of the psychology of compliance (i.e. uncovering which factors cause a person to say "yes" to another's request) and is written in a narrative style combined with scholarly research. Cialdini combines evidence from experimental work with the techniques and strategies he gathered while working as a salesperson, fundraiser, advertiser, and other positions, inside organizations that commonly use compliance tactics to get us to say "yes." Widely used in graduate and undergraduate psychology and management classes, as well as sold to people operating successfully in the business world, the eagerly awaited revision of Influence reminds the reader of the power of persuasion. Cialdini organizes compliance techniques into six categories based on psychological principles that direct human behavior: reciprocation, consistency, social proof, liking, authority, and scarcity. New Reader's Reports are included in the Fourth Edition and illustrate how readers have used one of the principles or have had a principle of influence used on them.

Re: Who is easily manipulated?

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:34 am
by driver8
Sounds like maybe smoothfox has been manipulated by Carl Sagan.

Re: Who is easily manipulated?

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:42 am
by pbwalker
Don't feel too bad SmoothFox...I thought the same thing reading some of those bullet points...But I wasn't going say anything about it. You're braver than me. :smilelol5:

I'm not sure what bearing penny stocks has to do with anything...heck, as an 18 year old kid I started with $2 stocks, which turned in to $4 stocks which turned in to $10 stocks...I didn't have a ton of money for real investing. I looked at it as though it was a type of 'smart guys gambling'.

Re: Who is easily manipulated?

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:23 am
by Keith B
OK folks, drop the religion refernces. You all know that is not allowed for discussion.

Re: Who is easily manipulated?

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 12:49 pm
by karder
That was a good read KC5AV. Thanks for the post, food for thought.

Re: Who is easily manipulated?

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 1:17 pm
by C-dub
I wasn't even thinking about religion until Smoothfox mentioned it.

IMHO, religion cannot manipulate anyone, but there are many unscrupulous people that will use religion to manipulate others.

Re: Who is easily manipulated?

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 1:19 pm
by C-dub
Did I just state the obvious?

Re: Who is easily manipulated?

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 1:23 pm
by 7075-T7
C-dub wrote:I wasn't even thinking about religion until Smoothfox mentioned it.

IMHO, religion cannot manipulate anyone, but there are many unscrupulous people that will use religion to manipulate others.
(Away from religion)

You are contradicting yourself. If it can be used for manipulation by others, then it can manipulate.

This is akin to saying: Firearms cannot hurt anyone, but bad guys can use firearms to hurt people.
While firearms in and of themselves cannot hurt anyone, without human interaction is it truly a firearm? Or is it a hunk of metal.

Re: Who is easily manipulated?

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 1:43 pm
by KC5AV
* Believing something because you heard someone say it on a news show on cable TV.
* Repeating a mantra heard from a figurehead or leader of a tribe without considering whether it's true.
* Focus on now at the expense of the long term.
* Desire to stick with previously made decisions because cognitive dissonance is strong.
These four stand out most to me. There are a couple of active threads on this board that popped up in my mind when I read this the other day. We should all step back and re-examine our beliefs from time to time, in light of some of these concepts.

Re: Who is easily manipulated?

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 1:49 pm
by pbwalker
KC5AV wrote: There are a couple of active threads on this board that popped up in my mind when I read this the other day.
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Re: Who is easily manipulated?

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 2:18 pm
by MechAg94
7075-T7 wrote:
C-dub wrote:I wasn't even thinking about religion until Smoothfox mentioned it.

IMHO, religion cannot manipulate anyone, but there are many unscrupulous people that will use religion to manipulate others.
(Away from religion)

You are contradicting yourself. If it can be used for manipulation by others, then it can manipulate.

This is akin to saying: Firearms cannot hurt anyone, but bad guys can use firearms to hurt people.
While firearms in and of themselves cannot hurt anyone, without human interaction is it truly a firearm? Or is it a hunk of metal.
Didn't you just essentially agree with him?

Blaming a religion because someone bought into a manipulative sales pitch and didn't bother to study or research it's truthfulness is not smart.
Blaming Ford Motors because someone bought a manipulative sales pitch and didn't bother to check out the real price of the vehicle is not smart.
Blaming .................etc, etc, etc.

Re: Who is easily manipulated?

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 2:42 pm
by 7075-T7
MechAg94 wrote:Didn't you just essentially agree with him?

Blaming a religion because someone bought into a manipulative sales pitch and didn't bother to study or research it's truthfulness is not smart.
Blaming Ford Motors because someone bought a manipulative sales pitch and didn't bother to check out the real price of the vehicle is not smart.
Blaming .................etc, etc, etc.

No. In your sales pitch example, the sales pitch is designed to be manipulative.
i.e.
Sales pitches are not manipulative, but there are some sellers that use sales pitches to manipulate buyers.

Manipulate does not have to be negative, if you have moved from one state to another, you have been manipulated.

If religion does not manipulate it can't be used by others to manipulate. Without the followers and the human monarchs "religion" does not exist. I'm not disputing or agreeing with how things came to be, but "religion" is a human invention.

It's the same line of thought used that the universe only exists because there is something to tell that it exists. Does anything exist without the knowledge of it's existence to someone/something?