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I have a couple of friends who are not US citizens, but are here legally. They have expressed an interest in going to the range. Is there any issue w/ me taking them out to fire some rounds down range?

I don't know any laws against it. I remember hearing a story about Japanese tourists going to a shooting range as part of their US vacation.

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In Texas, if the visitors are under your supervision the entire time, you're legally in the clear.

Some ranges won't allow people who do not have a U.S. ID to shoot.

- Jim

Green Card holders are treated "almost" the same as US citizens - i.e. I have GC, not a citizen. It's actually listed as a benefit of being a legal permanent resident (GC). "Almost" means when the GC holder buys a gun, he/she must present the green card while illegals just lie on the form claiming to be citizens. Stupid, I know.

For other legal or illegal residents here, as for going to range and firing some of your weapons, so long as the weapons remains always under your possession and supervision, there's no problem. This point I am not 100% certain as I never read any part of the law that prohibits range shooting.

They cannot be in possession or transport of any weapon, meaning they cannot have the gun in their car without you being there. This part is in the law.

At one range I saw several foreigners renting guns. There were a few from Japan and a couple from Europe (Hungary, I think). The Japanese guys were taking pictures of the guns in the case, so the guy at the counter pulled a few out and let them take pictures of each other holding the guns. The Hungarians got in on it too, one of the salesmen gave them a rifle to pose with. Then they rented some handguns and didn't seem to have any problems.

I took my cousin and her two German friends shooting last weekend. Went to a public range. They were granted range cards and we had no problems. The young German man (who claims he'd never even held a real gun before, much less fired one) was hitting bullseyes within the first 20 rounds at 7 yards with a Sig Sauer. I joked with him that the gun and his hands were both crafted in Germany, therefore he had an advantage with that particular firearm

I work for a Japanese company, and our Japanese contingent (here legally of course, but not citizens) go to the range every so often with our HR manager

I'm a legal resident alien (Green Card holder) and whenever I've talked to LEOs they've always told me that all I need is my Texas Driver's License, no interest at all in my GC unless I was passing a border checkpoint coming back from S. Padre. I've always volunteered the info when purchasing a firearm, and no one has ever batted an eye after seeing my CHL (except Cabela's, where they reluctantly informed me that they needed 3 months of proof of residence). My GC was a non-issue in all my encounters with local PD/Sheriff departments. Not sure how that would affect people with temp visas though.

Fangs wrote:I'm a legal resident alien (Green Card holder) and whenever I've talked to LEOs they've always told me that all I need is my Texas Driver's License, no interest at all in my GC unless I was passing a border checkpoint coming back from S. Padre. I've always volunteered the info when purchasing a firearm, and no one has ever batted an eye after seeing my CHL (except Cabela's, where they reluctantly informed me that they needed 3 months of proof of residence). My GC was a non-issue in all my encounters with local PD/Sheriff departments. Not sure how that would affect people with temp visas though.

Was this before or after you got your CHL. If it was when you had your CHL your CHL should have been adequate proof of residency. After all, you can't get one until you can show 6 month of residency!

CompVest wrote: Was this before or after you got your CHL. If it was when you had your CHL your CHL should have been adequate proof of residency. After all, you can't get one until you can show 6 month of residency!

By law, it's correct but many dealers practice very differently to cover themselves. Even I have CHL, because I am not a citizen but a legal permanent resident (GC), they need just about everything, they call in for NICS check AND if NICS says "hold" they make me wait for 3 days.

I finally ran into a FFL who understands the law and pretty much only deal with him now.

Some correction to my post above. Like I said, this is about purchase and possession but not about range shooting as I have not read anywhere that doesn't allow.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=145870" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The thread is most helpful. Post #33 is how I view this but I am not a lawyer.

It was after I had my CHL, and I had 3 months worth of credit card statements with me too, but the guy's boss said I needed 4 statements to prove 3 months of residency regardless of my Greeen Card, CHL, TXDL, and 3 CC statements all having the same address on them. My TXDL expires this year, so it's not like I just got it or anything... oh well.

Fangs wrote:It was after I had my CHL, and I had 3 months worth of credit card statements with me too, but the guy's boss said I needed 4 statements to prove 3 months of residency regardless of my Greeen Card, CHL, TXDL, and 3 CC statements all having the same address on them. My TXDL expires this year, so it's not like I just got it or anything... oh well.

They just don't know the law and they want to cover themselves.

Technically, CC statements are not proper evidence of residency.

CompVest wrote:After all, you can't get one until you can show 6 month of residency!

Reading 411.173, it says that you can apply for a CHL immediately after moving to Texas with the intent of establishing a Texas residency. I don't see anywhere that it limits you to being a US citizen. Correct me if I am wrong.

tomc wrote:

CompVest wrote:After all, you can't get one until you can show 6 month of residency!

Reading 411.173, it says that you can apply for a CHL immediately after moving to Texas with the intent of establishing a Texas residency. I don't see anywhere that it limits you to being a US citizen. Correct me if I am wrong.

Oh, sure, you can apply, but will you actually get it within 90 days?