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Gaffney Police are investigating what they call an accidental shooting at the Veterans Affairs Office Monday afternoon.

Officers say a VA officer ... shot himself in the hand and leg at the VA office ... in Gaffney.

Police said the revolver went off [sic] while [the man] unloaded the weapon.

Medics took [the man] to Spartanburg Regional, where he is listed in fair condition.

http://www2.wspa.com/news/2010/jul/12/9 ... ar-569821/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe I lack imagination, but I don't understand why people need to manipulate their weapons other than for shooting or cleaning.

- Jim

I'm trying to figure out how you shoot yourself in the hand while unloading. Grab the gun by the barrel, making sure that your hand is over the muzzle, pull the trigger to remove the bullet from the chamber.....

I think people who do this kind of thing had a massive brain fart and then try to come up with an excuse while the paramedics are loading them into the ambulance.

- Jim

seamusTX wrote:
Maybe I lack imagination, but I don't understand why people need to manipulate their weapons other than for shooting or cleaning.

- Jim

Why "manipulate " to include clear the weapon other the shooting or cleaning.. Really.. is that a question?

- Prior to placing the weapon in a storage location after required to disarm in a non normal location
- Prior to placing weapon in a storage location, when that weapon is not part of the defense tools kept at the ready
- Prior to handing the gun to anyone, for whatever reason.
- Prior to walking into a range which has silly rules about ALL weapons being unloaded before entering the firing area / line.
I'm sure there are another few thousand reasons readers with some imagination could add to the list..
..
If I misunderstood your point,,, and it was more to,, "I don't understand why people needlessly
manipulate their weapons" ie showing off or "just to see if it is loaded" or some other non tactical, not functional, non administrative reason.. Then I would agree.. But thats not what you said

I don't play semantic games. See my avatar.

- Jim

seamusTX wrote:I don't play semantic games. See my avatar.

- Jim

Ok,, well in that case my opinion is I disagree with your stated opinion..

seamusTX wrote:
Maybe I lack imagination, but I don't understand why people need to manipulate their weapons other than for shooting or cleaning.

- Jim

There are many reasons to "manipulate" a firearm besides shooting and cleaning it... To think otherwise is to be untrained, ignorant or worse. I really dont know how a reasonable person who has even limited firearms experience could make a claim otherwise.. But to each his own. I assumed I misunderstood your post. Guess not.

As to the "it just went off" and other story’s told about these type of incidents..

seamusTX wrote:I think people who do this kind of thing had a massive brain fart and then try to come up with an excuse while the paramedics are loading them into the ambulance.

- Jim

I think your dead on with this one..

I don't suppose these men were happy with the outcome of "manipulating" their weapons.

Milwaukee man accidentally kills 8-year-old son, injures woman.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/98385844.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tennessee man accidentally shoots friend:
http://www.volunteertv.com/home/headlines/98357379.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Moline, Illinois, man accidentally shoots 10-year-old son. Son survives.
http://www.wqad.com/news/wqadfather-acc ... 1421.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

''I started swinging the gun around, and I didn't realize there was still one round in it, the darn thing, went off''



- Jim

From the article link in the OP:

"The Gaffney Police chief said Humphries’ job doesn’t require him to carry a weapon, but it is not against the law to carry one on VA property."

VA is federal. The police chief must mean there isn't a state, county or city law/ordinance against carrying on the property. Either sloppy reporting or a police chief who doesn't know as much as he thinks he knows.

seamusTX wrote: ''I started swinging the gun around, and I didn't realize there was still one round in it, the darn thing, went off''



- Jim

OK, so violated rules 1 and 2 right out of the gate.

seamusTX wrote:I don't suppose these men were happy with the outcome of "manipulating" their weapons.

Milwaukee man accidentally kills 8-year-old son, injures woman.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/98385844.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tennessee man accidentally shoots friend:
http://www.volunteertv.com/home/headlines/98357379.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Moline, Illinois, man accidentally shoots 10-year-old son. Son survives.
http://www.wqad.com/news/wqadfather-acc ... 1421.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

''I started swinging the gun around, and I didn't realize there was still one round in it, the darn thing, went off''



- Jim

So your stance is, untrained people should not handle weapons.. ?? If so as your post implies, I agree.


BTW, the position implied by your writings can be applied to Cars that are manipulated needless and cause damage or death, Knifes, cigarettes, fireworks, Tanks, Airplanes, and most any other inanimate object that requires a stupid or untrained human to use that object inappropriately causing death or suffering.
I respect your right to have that opinion, to state it, I simple believe the opinion lacks merit.

But that,,, is just MY opinion..

My point is that people have to act responsibly or pay for the consequences.

I don't even care about criminal sanctions. Someone who kills his own child or another person he is close to is going to pay every night when he can't sleep.

- Jim

seamusTX wrote:My point is that people have to act responsibly or pay for the consequences.

- Jim

Thank you sir.... Completely agree... I apologize if that was your point all along and I missed it, along the way.

crying out loud it was a revolver. how do you do that. keep you booger hook off the trigger, push the cyclinder release swing it out, push the ejector and yur done.
he would almost have to of had the hammer back in SA to do this.

cheezit wrote:crying out loud it was a revolver. how do you do that. keep you booger hook off the trigger, push the cyclinder release swing it out, push the ejector and yur done.
he would almost have to of had the hammer back in SA to do this.

This was my first thought. How do you ND a revolver while unloading it?

Kythas wrote:

cheezit wrote:crying out loud it was a revolver. how do you do that. keep you booger hook off the trigger, push the cyclinder release swing it out, push the ejector and yur done.
he would almost have to of had the hammer back in SA to do this.

This was my first thought. How do you ND a revolver while unloading it?

Finger on the trigger is normally the cause of an ND . Sorry, couldn't help myself.