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They have grenades and what they are doing is legal?

ya know we can go to Irac and afganistan to fight a war that the people of this country want nothing to really do with. we can go to S.korea to do training with them so the can inrage N.Korea, China, and Cuba. we can spend billions apon billions in forign aid and disaster relife in other countrys all why watching our coundtry fall in to total dispair.
The goverment has been failing its peoples for so long in securing this country people, its borders and its way of life its sad to watch. If the goverment wont listen to the voices of its people what other choices is left?

IIRC Grenades are legal to own, you just need to purchase the tax stamp for them. Each individual one needs a stamp and appropriate paperwork.

Until they actually do something illegal, it's legal. As long as they are not breaking any laws.
Their statements of 'we will kill them' will probably be played back in court, if any situation ever does occur, even a legitimate self-defense one.

Don't forget the media loves to take things out of context and publish them.
For all we know, the reporter was discussing smugglers armed with weapons before they asked what they would do to them.

I don't agree with most of what they're saying, but what they say, believe, and advocate for is protected by the first amendment.
As long as they are not breaking any Arizona State or Federal laws, well they can do whatever they want.

You can bet that they're probably being watched pretty closely though.

Sigh,
Every argument we make about securing the border will be countered by calling the whole movement racist, and refering to these idiots.

I agree that the Federal Government is failing the citizens but these people playing cop either do not realize they are way outgunned by the cartels, or want to be martyrs in order to start a border war.

The cartels could go through them “like crap through a goose” as Patton would say, if they wanted to. The cartel “army” is better equipped, better trained and in a lot better physical condition than these yoyo’s. They are not the average illegal immigrant coming across the border to find work. Many of them are professional killers. If these jokers actually do get in the way of the cartels their bodies will be found minus the weapons or they will just disappear.

They got their five minutes of publicity, now they should pack up their toys and go home.

VoiceofReason wrote:The cartels could go through them “like crap through a goose” as Patton would say, if they wanted to. The cartel “army” is better equipped, better trained and in a lot better physical condition than these yoyo’s. They are not the average illegal immigrant coming across the border to find work. Many of them are professional killers.

IF that's true and IF the Mexican drug army crosses the border and IF Obama does not deploy the US military to defend the US, then Obama should be impeached.

tacticool wrote:

VoiceofReason wrote:The cartels could go through them “like crap through a goose” as Patton would say, if they wanted to. The cartel “army” is better equipped, better trained and in a lot better physical condition than these yoyo’s. They are not the average illegal immigrant coming across the border to find work. Many of them are professional killers.

IF that's true and IF the Mexican drug army crosses the border and IF Obama does not deploy the US military to defend the US, then Obama should be impeached.

It is true. Some of the cartel professional killers are already in this country.

I agree about Obama being impeached but that would leave Biden as president. Thinking about this gave me a headache and I became nauseated. I think I need to lay down.

Look at the bright side. Nothing says the border is completely out of control like Neo Nazi patrols. The more the media highlights it, the more the average American will realize that the border really is completely out of control. Then maybe Congresscritters will start getting messages from their constituents demanding that they do something. The media won't report armed narcoterrorists taking over ranches in Laredo, but they will report Neo Nazis patrolling the border. The takeaway for viewers, however, might be different than what the media wanted.

baldeagle wrote:The media won't report armed narcoterrorists taking over ranches in Laredo...

I believe that has been completely denounced.

Here's a more realistic picture of the effect on ranchers in the area (both on the Mexican and American sides of the border): Border violence spills onto Mexican ranches, farms

EXCLUSIVE: Al Qaeda eyes bio attack from Mexico
Al-Qaida Operative Nabbed Near Mexican Border
Feds Issue Terror Watch for the Texas/Mexico Border
Mexico's Drug War Adopts Al Qaeda Tactics : Car Bombs, Mass Killings Part of Increasing Violence Related to Drug Cartels 
Somali group that claims Ugandan bombing a growing threat to U.S., experts say
Spring Break in Mexico – “Know Before You Go!”
...and the list goes on and on.

VoiceofReason wrote:I agree that the Federal Government is failing the citizens but these people playing cop either do not realize they are way outgunned by the cartels, or want to be martyrs in order to start a border war.

The cartels could go through them “like crap through a goose” as Patton would say, if they wanted to. The cartel “army” is better equipped, better trained and in a lot better physical condition than these yoyo’s. They are not the average illegal immigrant coming across the border to find work. Many of them are professional killers. If these jokers actually do get in the way of the cartels their bodies will be found minus the weapons or they will just disappear.

They got their five minutes of publicity, now they should pack up their toys and go home.

OK so heres the best and worst out comes.
1) nothing ever becomes of this.
2) the neo-nazi's get a few extra holes in them and may or may not make it off the table. the cartel gets the same. emmmm no real loss less drugs, less thugs, and a few less bigits. things this world already has way to much of.
3) #2 outcome comes to light and the US is forced to act and send homeland forces to deal with the issue.
4)If the govement fails #3 well we still have a few less unwanted's among us.

I think they would do better if they used a bit of light discipline. I love the guy in the Gilly suit with the bright flash light that's real tactical.

VoiceofReason wrote: I agree about Obama being impeached but that would leave Biden as president. Thinking about this gave me a headache and I became nauseated. I think I need to lay down.

From what I saw they were keeping their fingers off the triggers at least.

The video also mentioned that the illegals they found that night were given water and turned over to authorities. Granted, I'm not a fan of socialists, but they seem to be doing all right for now.

For their sake I hope they don't come across any armed cartel members crossing the border. I doubt the patrols would be around to read the publicity following that.
Gee, I see flashlights, I wonder if I should go elsewhere?

Fangs wrote:From what I saw they were keeping their fingers off the triggers at least.

The video also mentioned that the illegals they found that night were given water and turned over to authorities. Granted, I'm not a fan of socialists, but they seem to be doing all right for now.

I suspect they were asked what they would do if someone used deadly force against them and they responded with the statement that they'd kill them. They were talking about narcoterrorists at the time. The news then took it out of context and made it sound like they were talking about all illegals. The news saw them give water and aid to the illegals they encountered but chose to not show those images, but to throw that fact in as an audio aside.

The gilly suit does seem excessive, but I suppose if they encountered a drug cartel and he turned off that light and hid in a bush that he'd be the least likely to get shot among them. It is conceivable that they could find fresh tracks and be more careful in following them than what we were seeing.