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ATF, seeks to replace its current metal-frame handguns with a new .40 caliber, polymer-frame handgun system. They rejected the Sig Sauers due to reliability issues. This was Sigs response:

"Sig Sauer also contends that ATF placed too great an emphasis upon reliability in determining which offers should continue to phase III. In this regard, Sig Sauer argues that reliability was only one of a number of elements to be considered in the live-fire assessment, and notes that reliability was not identified as having any more importance than the other elements."

Sig seems to contend that reliability is not important. IMO it is the MOST important thing regarding a firearm.

WOW! Reliability is not a factor. We need to change our way of thinking.

JJVP wrote: Sig seems to contend that reliability is not important. IMO it is the MOST important thing regarding a firearm.

Perhaps Sig should change their slogan to "To-Heck-And-Back-Reliability"?

Here's a link to the GAO Report that shows some of the test data: http://www.gao.gov/decisions/bidpro/4023393.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am not defending Sig Sauer, but these types of protests are common when awarding large government contracts. The GAO report shows that Glock and Smith & Wesson were pretty evenly matched for both reliability and the general assessment. When the final contract is awarded, I would bet money that the loser will protest.

I never thought I would hear someone say Sig isn't reliable. I have only seen metal frame Sigs being shot and have never seen an issue with one. I will admit I have no experience what so ever with the polymer frame Sigs.

G.A. Heath wrote:I will admit I have no experience what so ever with the polymer frame Sigs.

I think that Sig doesn't either.

WildBill wrote:When the final contract is awarded, I would bet money that the loser will protest.

Yup, it's a certainty that Glock is going to be very unhappy.

(No, I don't like S&W, but they seem to have political massive influence. <ThreadHijack>And for the record: yes, I'm not happy about that handshake they made with Slick Willy in 2000 and I certainly haven't forgotten how they threw the second amendment under the bus and expected everybody to praise them for it</ThreadHijack>)

Sig's quality has def deminished over the past couple of yrs. That's why alot of people only go for the German made ones. I do have on US made 220 and it's stamped First Production Run on the slide. It's suppose to be the first ones made here.

lkd wrote:

WildBill wrote:When the final contract is awarded, I would bet money that the loser will protest.

Yup, it's a certainty that Glock is going to be very unhappy.
(No, I don't like S&W, but they seem to have political massive influence. <ThreadHijack>And for the record: yes, I'm not happy about that handshake they made with Slick Willy in 2000 and I certainly haven't forgotten how they threw the second amendment under the bus and expected everybody to praise them for it</ThreadHijack>)

This may be hijacking the thread, but specifications for contracts can be written to include or exclude certain products or manufacturers. Why and when did the ATF decide that they needed a polymer-framed handgun? Did gravity get heavier since they chose the metal-framed Sig Sauer? Did ATF agents get weaker so they can no longer carry or shoot a metal-framed gun? Enquiring minds want to know.

Now there's an argument worth touting.

"No faairrrrrr! They didn't tell us they were going to expect it to be reliable, too! We want a do-over!"

Why HK and Beretta are not in the competition, both have excellent poly models.

What about our beloved " Kahr's ??? "

Mac

WildBill wrote:

lkd wrote:

WildBill wrote:When the final contract is awarded, I would bet money that the loser will protest.

Yup, it's a certainty that Glock is going to be very unhappy.
(No, I don't like S&W, but they seem to have political massive influence. <ThreadHijack>And for the record: yes, I'm not happy about that handshake they made with Slick Willy in 2000 and I certainly haven't forgotten how they threw the second amendment under the bus and expected everybody to praise them for it</ThreadHijack>)

This may be hijacking the thread, but specifications for contracts can be written to include or exclude certain products or manufacturers. Why and when did the ATF decide that they needed a polymer-framed handgun? Did gravity get heavier since they chose the metal-framed Sig Sauer? Did ATF agents get weaker so they can no longer carry or shoot a metal-framed gun? Enquiring minds want to know.

Yes. Yes it did. Turns out they handed over responsibility for g to the same folks that do the global warming models. Unless we do something very expensive, right now, we'll have Jupiter gravity in 30 years.

chartreuse wrote: Yes. Yes it did. Turns out they handed over responsibility for g to the same folks that do the global warming models. Unless we do something very expensive, right now, we'll have Jupiter gravity in 30 years.

Ummm... you weren't supposed to know about that. Be sure to have your papers ready this coming week.

And, yes, all govt contracts for all agencies come with a "whiner's option."

Haven't you heard? Because we don't recycle enough and just throw our garbage into landfills, Earth's mass is rapidly growing, hence the increasing gravity. Go green and save us all!!



Man, I should work for one of the "green" associations. With my brain, I could REALLY make them look dumb!

Back to Sig: I never had an issue with my old 226 and I'm thinking about buying a used 225... I assume this problem is only with the polymer pistols??