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Didn't want to hijack the thread about today's Dallas Morning News article but it looks like the SA Express-News is planning a similar front page article for Sunday's paper. The teaser at the bottom of today's paper reads "Coming Sunday:Permitted to Pack-Where most of the concealed weapon permits are located just might surprise you". Looking forward to seeing just what kind of an article it's going to be.

I'm from SA. Let me know how it goes.

I'm from good ol SA, too. Keep us posted.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_ ... 25289.html

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Have a super Sunday.

Doug

Not as good as the DMN paper article... and since it says that the cost of the permit + class dissuades people, why not call for a reduction of fees?

I also didn't like the 'you guys are racists that voted for McCain' undertow. This issue is a lot more complex than one election (I do agree that those that voted for McCain are more likely to have a CHL and guns, but it isn't because we are racist, it is because we are generally more conservative).

It was a silly story written from a liberal perspective that only rich republicans will have permits and that the people in the poor crime ridden south end of town can't get permits. You can extend their "logic" further by doing a story about car insurance. The fact is that the majority of people in that part of town
don't buy car insurance either ! You know they wanted to print the names of all permit holders but can't...Count on them to file a freedom of information suit to get the names of permit holders so they can out all of us "criminals".

I am really tired of this liberal rag. They just got done doing a story eulogizing a group of kids who are members of wolf packs and they forever extol the virtues of single moms raising several kids from different fathers. And they wonder why their circulation is down.

artx wrote:Not as good as the DMN paper article... and since it says that the cost of the permit + class dissuades people, why not call for a reduction of fees?

I also didn't like the 'you guys are racists that voted for McCain' undertow. This issue is a lot more complex than one election (I do agree that those that voted for McCain are more likely to have a CHL and guns, but it isn't because we are racist, it is because we are generally more conservative).

People who value personal responsibility tend to have insurance, savings, investments, food stored for emergencies, firearms, CHLS, etc. In the Aesop fable, they are the hard working ants. They tend to vote against politicians like Obama who want to steal their stuff and give it to the grasshopper.

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I stopped reading the article when I saw it was about "economic justice."

eureka40 wrote:I stopped reading the article when I saw it was about "economic justice."

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The comments being posted on that story are right on point - for the most part. No need to repeat their points here.

IMO the article seems to say - It just isn't fair that poor folk don't get licensed. OR Why should the rich be the ones most licensed? Typical liberal class warfare tripe.

The E-N as a "liberal rag?" Wow. I've lived in some places that actually do have liberal newspapers, and the E-N is by no means liberal by comparison. I do agree that the reporting is crap, but not because of a bias one way or another. But I do understand how when things get reported in a way that doesn't fit with our own biases, we tend to see bias.

After getting past the inflammatory title, I didn't think the article was as bad as I was expecting. Still presented things in a class warfare point of view but that's what I've come to expect from SA's only newspaper. I've always thought the fees were too high for what is supposed to be the exercise of a constitutional right (when does it become infringement?), but I'm not sure if that has as much of an effect as the article suggests. Somehow I think a lot of people in the inner city zip codes might not qualify for a CHL based on an inability to pass a background check or just a simple disregard for doing things in the manner that the law prescribes. I'd have to wonder how many individuals in those areas carry concealed firearms illegally. Apologies if that's making assumptions but it's the way I see it.

I live in one of the zip codes that showed the most CHL's per 1000, in a gated neighborhood where you wouldn't expect to have trouble. As it was pointed out to me in another thread on this forum some time ago that is one of the things that makes you a target, the bad guys know they'll find nice stuff in your house. This was brought home to me the morning I walked out of the house to go to work (still dark outside) and found someone in my wife's minivan trying to remove the DVD player. Fortunately he ran off and all I suffered was an elevated heart rate and adrenaline rush but it's one of the things that made me decide to get a CHL. I also get e-mails from time to time from our neighborhood associations regarding burglaries and break-ins in the area. Yes, I may be able to afford the fees involved more easily than someone else but my main motivation is protection of myself and my family and what I've worked so hard for from individuals who don't think twice about taking what they think they are entitled to.

Overall the article provided a fair amount of data but only limited analysis.

81aggie wrote:Somehow I think a lot of people in the inner city zip codes might not qualify for a CHL based on an inability to pass a background check or just a simple disregard for doing things in the manner that the law prescribes. I'd have to wonder how many individuals in those areas carry concealed firearms illegally. Apologies if that's making assumptions but it's the way I see it.

Thanks for posting this! It gave me an idea which I just posted in the Instructor's Corner about CHL instructors voluntarily offering 1 seat per class or some other variation of reduced cost to anyone who qualifies for the indigency rate with the state.

As I posted in that thread, I think it is much more likely that it isn't on the radar of the poor and minorities or part of their culture because of a strong, clear, and intentional history of our nation keeping them away from guns than it is that large numbers of them can't pass a background check. I think many of them are completely unaware of the aims of gun control being primarily to keep them in their place and they don't know other people in their circles who introduce them to that knowledge. Instead, they are put in defenseless positions and then told that they are weak and defenseless so that they rely on the government to protect them instead of realizing how strong they are in their numbers and being willing to counter the same.

Hoi Polloi wrote:Thanks for posting this! It gave me an idea which I just posted in the Instructor's Corner about CHL instructors voluntarily offering 1 seat per class or some other variation of reduced cost to anyone who qualifies for the indigency rate with the state.

If this is something you believe in, you could become certified and teach free classes. Did you know you can become an instructor without having a CHL?