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I have been told by a friend of mine that the reason he has never gotten his CHL. He says with a CHL that LEO's are allowed to search your home and vehicle without probable cause at anytime? In other words just show up at your door and do a search of your premises? Or perform a seach of your vehicle at traiffic stop?

I don't remember any of this from the CHL class, nor do I remember reading it here or anywhere else. I beleive this is not true. Can anyone help? Or have any idea where he is getting this idea? It maybe from his distrust of LEOs since he is a member of a 1%er motorcycle club?

martywj wrote:I have been told by a friend of mine that the reason he has never gotten his CHL. He says with a CHL that LEO's are allowed to search your home and vehicle without probable cause at anytime? In other words just show up at your door and do a search of your premises? Or perform a seach of your vehicle at traiffic stop?

I don't remember any of this from the CHL class, nor do I remember reading it here or anywhere else. I beleive this is not true. Can anyone help? Or have any idea where he is getting this idea? It maybe from his distrust of LEOs since he is a member of a 1%er motorcycle club?

That's just plain wrong and is very bad information.
Some Constitutional RIGHTS do not checked at the door so your 2A RIGHT can be exercised.
That makes no sense.

It's completely bogus.

Some people just love to spread hate & discontent.

This is a new one to me, I highly doubt this to be true. Why would having CHL be a surrender of our rights to protect us against illegal search, there must be probable cause or a search warrant.
Others will chime in that will set us straight.

That is bull of the first degree

martywj wrote:I have been told by a friend of mine that the reason he has never gotten his CHL. He says with a CHL that LEO's are allowed to search your home and vehicle without probable cause at anytime? In other words just show up at your door and do a search of your premises? Or perform a seach of your vehicle at traiffic stop?

I don't remember any of this from the CHL class, nor do I remember reading it here or anywhere else. I beleive this is not true. Can anyone help? Or have any idea where he is getting this idea? It maybe from his distrust of LEOs since he is a member of a 1%er motorcycle club?

Another "knowledgeable" friend. You did the right thing checking here. Now go find out where he got his load of bull from and correct it.

The only time you give up your 4th amendment rights is when you travel by air in the U.S. And you don't even need a CHL to enjoy that abrogation...

Wonder if he meant Curios and Relics? I understand ATF have the right to check the C&R list against inventory.

I guess if you are on parole and your CHL was taken away you might be subject to said searches...

Wow. I mean, wow.

I mean, wow.



Your friend isn't even close.

The only requirement of a CHL holder is that they give their CHL to an officer when asked for ID while carrying. And there isn't even a penalty attached to that.

In so many ways just

wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Sounds, perhaps, sour grapes.

Maybe your friend knows he is ineligible for a CHL and this is his way of
explaining why he does not have one.

OldSchool wrote:Wonder if he meant Curios and Relics? I understand ATF have the right to check the C&R list against inventory.

Yes, but only the items listed in your bound book and you can make an appointment to visit them at their office (or a local coffee shop, for that matter) if you don't want them to come to your house. (Or so I understand. Not sure how that would catch any items that a C&R holder failed to enter in his book, but since when did any of this make sense anyway?)

This sort of reminds me of my father-in-law. He always said he would never get a CHL because he claimed that if he did, and ever stayed at a hotel, he would have to disclose the CHL and surrender his weapon to the front desk upon checkin. Ridiculous. Never mind the fact that in the 15+ years I knew him before he died, he never once stayed in a hotel for any reason.

martywj wrote:I have been told by a friend of mine that the reason he has never gotten his CHL. He says with a CHL that LEO's are allowed to search your home and vehicle without probable cause at anytime? In other words just show up at your door and do a search of your premises? Or perform a seach of your vehicle at traiffic stop?

I don't remember any of this from the CHL class, nor do I remember reading it here or anywhere else. I beleive this is not true. Can anyone help? Or have any idea where he is getting this idea? It maybe from his distrust of LEOs since he is a member of a 1%er motorcycle club?

Members of 1%er motorcycle clubs aren't my primary source for accurate information on constitutional search and seizure issues.

For those not familiar with the significance of this designation, a bit of background can be found here.

The answer to where that gentleman got his information might well be found either in the nature of the substances he has been drinking, injecting, ingesting, or inhaling over the years, or in some of the company he keeps (the OP excepted, of course). In a 1%er club, there are generally very few if any folks who could pass a CHL background check.