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Good vote - terrible sellout

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:03 pm
by OldSchool
As always, I could not find this by a search of the forum, so apologies if it's a duplicate. This is not strictly gun-related, so my apologies to those who bristle at such things here, but I believe it reflects future problems with our elected "representatives" in all matters.

HR 3808 was brought back to the House of Representatives (read yesterday, voted today) in an attempt to override an Obama Presidential veto. It is the Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2010. The bill was to require "each federal and state court to recognize any lawful notarization occurring in or affecting interstate commerce which is made by a notary public licensed or commissioned under the laws of a state other than the state where the court is located." (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z ... D&summ2=m&).

What it means:
(I'm trying to be brief in a really complicated mess, and probably not entirely correct; also, it's been a long day. If the real lawyers want to chime in, please feel free.) :tiphat:
For the major impact from this bill, mortgage companies, when they do not have wet-ink mortgage papers properly filed in a state which requires same (and usually within a specific period of time to be valid), would be allowed to have those papers filed at this time in another state which does not have those requirements (yes, there are states in which you can foreclose without the original properly filed mortgage papers!). This would have let off the hook many banks and mortgage companies which have reportedly been foreclosing without the original papers over the past several years (and reportedly continue to do so).

This bill was introduced 10/14/2009, passed by Congress in October 2010, and vetoed by the President 10/8/2010. Yes, he did the right thing! But, it was brought back this week for a veto override vote in the lame duck session.

The wonderful thing is that the override attempt failed. The bad thing is that it was the Democrats who predominantly voted it down, while the Republicans almost all voted FOR it (somewhat the reverse of the original vote)! :shock:
The banks are the ones who would have completely benefited from this action if it had been successful.

In my glance at the vote tally, http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2010-573, I saw only one Texas Republican who voted against the override: Ron Paul!
Is this a Texas Republican Caucus sellout? :mad5

Re: Good vote - terrible sellout

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:11 pm
by baldeagle
Sounds more like a case of political shenanigans. Who knows what kind of deals went on behind the scenes in issues like this? Perhaps the Republican voted for it to "prove" they could stand up to Obama, because they knew (or got wind of) that the Dems were going to vote against it, ensuring its defeat. It's not at all uncommon for a caucus to allow some of the members "cover" by allowing them to vote the opposite of what they supposedly stand for because they know what the vote will be before it's taken. Of course their opponents then know they can try to use it against them in an upcoming election.

That's why it's so important that voters be informed before entering the voting booth.

Ron Paul, OTOH, marches to a different drummer.

Re: Good vote - terrible sellout

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:13 pm
by OldSchool
baldeagle wrote:Sounds more like a case of political shenanigans. Who knows what kind of deals went on behind the scenes in issues like this? Perhaps the Republican voted for it to "prove" they could stand up to Obama, because they knew (or got wind of) that the Dems were going to vote against it, ensuring its defeat. It's not at all uncommon for a caucus to allow some of the members "cover" by allowing them to vote the opposite of what they supposedly stand for because they know what the vote will be before it's taken. Of course their opponents then know they can try to use it against them in an upcoming election.

That's why it's so important that voters be informed before entering the voting booth.

Ron Paul, OTOH, marches to a different drummer.
Yes, I agree, I've seen this happen often, where the vote is all planned out for political theater. Still stinks, and doesn't elevate the level of trust!

Re: Good vote - terrible sellout

Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:32 am
by UpTheIrons
OldSchool wrote:Still stinks, and doesn't elevate the level of trust!
See, there's your problem right there. You think there's a level of trust engendered by our congresscritters. :biggrinjester: