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This thread http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44553" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; brought up an interesting question for me. While I need to declare my CHL when I get stopped by a LEO, what is the best solution for someone who carries in their car, but does not have a CHL? My wife carries in her car, but does not yet have her CHL, and I've always advised her to let the officer know about it as a courtesy, but I'm starting to think that maybe it would be better not to even bring it up unless asked. I've been stopped several times (pre-chl) and the question of weapons was never brought up, and that may save quite a headache. Thoughts?

atxtj wrote:This thread http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44553" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; brought up an interesting question for me. While I need to declare my CHL when I get stopped by a LEO, what is the best solution for someone who carries in their car, but does not have a CHL? My wife carries in her car, but does not yet have her CHL, and I've always advised her to let the officer know about it as a courtesy, but I'm starting to think that maybe it would be better not to even bring it up unless asked. I've been stopped several times (pre-chl) and the question of weapons was never brought up, and that may save quite a headache. Thoughts?

Can't go wrong either way really. I like to know, but I don't ask alot unless I feel the need to.

Unless asked, "The conflict that does not exist does not need resolution."

gigag04 wrote:

atxtj wrote:This thread http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44553" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; brought up an interesting question for me. While I need to declare my CHL when I get stopped by a LEO, what is the best solution for someone who carries in their car, but does not have a CHL? My wife carries in her car, but does not yet have her CHL, and I've always advised her to let the officer know about it as a courtesy, but I'm starting to think that maybe it would be better not to even bring it up unless asked. I've been stopped several times (pre-chl) and the question of weapons was never brought up, and that may save quite a headache. Thoughts?

Can't go wrong either way really. I like to know, but I don't ask alot unless I feel the need to.

Gig, not to put you on the spot (and you don't have to answer if you don't want to), but would you be more or less likely to ask a woman if she had a weapon in the car? (Just curious.)

baldeagle wrote:

gigag04 wrote:

atxtj wrote:This thread http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44553" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; brought up an interesting question for me. While I need to declare my CHL when I get stopped by a LEO, what is the best solution for someone who carries in their car, but does not have a CHL? My wife carries in her car, but does not yet have her CHL, and I've always advised her to let the officer know about it as a courtesy, but I'm starting to think that maybe it would be better not to even bring it up unless asked. I've been stopped several times (pre-chl) and the question of weapons was never brought up, and that may save quite a headache. Thoughts?

Can't go wrong either way really. I like to know, but I don't ask alot unless I feel the need to.

Gig, not to put you on the spot (and you don't have to answer if you don't want to), but would you be more or less likely to ask a woman if she had a weapon in the car? (Just curious.)

In a general sense, I would say less. We just don't see alot of dash cam videos of soccer mom trying to shoot her way out of a stop. Interestingly enough, I would say there is a 50/50 split of people that want to fight the poe-leece between male and female.

I would be careful in the way I informed them if I was so inclined to do so. Instead of saying "I have a gun/weapon",
I would say that I am carrying under the MPA.

gigag04 wrote:Interestingly enough, I would say there is a 50/50 split of people that want to fight the poe-leece between male and female.

Really? I find that rather amazing!

Personally if I was carrying under the Motorist Protection Act is would not say a thing. I do not know what the officers feelings are towards that law and would prefer not to find out the hard way. I have no desire to take a ride and prove I was within the law for opening my mouth when it was not necessary. If asked I would be honest but would not volunteer the information, you very well may be rolling the dice based on the type of day the officer has had. Keep it concealed away from your license and insurance papers and it is a non-issue as it should not be able to be seen...

Greybeard wrote:Unless asked, "The conflict that does not exist does not need resolution."

I agree with this statement.

sugar land dave wrote:

gigag04 wrote:Interestingly enough, I would say there is a 50/50 split of people that want to fight the poe-leece between male and female.

Really? I find that rather amazing!

That was roughly my experience when I was po-po, also, though I'd say more women than men wanted to fight me. I never had a man hit me in the back with a broom while I was trying to cuff his wife. Just sayin'.

If I did not have a CHL and was carrying under the provisions of the MPA, I would not volunteer any information until and unless asked. I would do this in an effort to avoid any possibility of startling an LEO with such a declaration and it being taken wrong.

sugar land dave wrote:

gigag04 wrote:Interestingly enough, I would say there is a 50/50 split of people that want to fight the poe-leece between male and female.

Really? I find that rather amazing!

Drug/Alcohol abuse is no respecter of gender. A tad more than 50% of the world's people are female. A drunk or drug abuser is just as likely to be male as female. To the degree that a drunk or addict is likely to be belligerent, about half will be male, and half will be female. All he's saying is that he finds that about half of the people who are willing to be physically belligerent with a cop are female. That's not actually that surprising.

Back in my ER days, I would say that the gender split between cuffed and/or hog-tied belligerent arrestees brought in by LEOs for examination/stitches/blood tests/what-have-you was about 50/50. So gigag04's experience doesn't particularly surprise me.

When I was in high school, the school officer said he had girls in his office for fighting far more often than boys. They also fought dirtier.

There was a section on the girls with gangs video about the difference in boys and girls fighting. It talks about one woman fighting the police at the beginning of that clip and then it talks about the general attitude of women who fight towards the end of it. The woman said that being high made a big difference in her level of aggression. It made it easier to assault others, and often even humorous. The expert at the end said girls rarely are random in their assaults, as men are. They assault a specific person (like a police officer cuffing her man) because of something personal.

When I was instructing my daughter on carrying in the vehicle I pointed out that she did not need to say a thing; HOWEVER if she was going for a document or something where her hand might get close to the weapon she needs to inform the LEO and ask how he/she wants to proceed. The car we bought her has a handy little map pocket on the front of the seat so it is not likely going to be an issue.

Dragonfighter wrote:When I was instructing my daughter on carrying in the vehicle I pointed out that she did not need to say a thing; HOWEVER if she was going for a document or something where her hand might get close to the weapon she needs to inform the LEO and ask how he/she wants to proceed. The car we bought her has a handy little map pocket on the front of the seat so it is not likely going to be an issue.

Does she have a CHL? I ask because I have a daughter that carries concealed but has a Utah non-resident. She could not afford the Texas CHL. I am mixed about what to advise her to do. Under the MVPA she is not required to mention her weapon. I worry about the combination of Utah CCP, MVPA and police officer confusion of the law. With a Texas CHL, I believe it will come up on a license run??? With Utah it won't???