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How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:36 pm
by Blindref757
Yesterday Obama boldly proclaims to the White House Press Corps that 80% of Americans support a "Balanced Approach" including tax hikes for solving America's debt crisis. It sounded like a lie to me at the time, so I looked it up!
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As the Beltway politicians try to figure out how they will raise the debt ceiling and for how long, most voters oppose including tax hikes in the deal.
Just 34% think a tax hike should be included in any legislation to raise the debt ceiling. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 55% disagree and say it should not.
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:43 pm
by Teamless
Then only reason (maybe no only, but you understand) ALL of us don't lie, is that we have a penalty for lying.... Loss of job, jail, loss of family (divorce, etc.), what penalty does he have?
Since 99% (another fictitious number that is unsubstantiated with real scientific proof) of the media won't report on any of his or almost anyone on the left, when they "misspeak", what harm could become of them?
No penalty, no changing
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:17 pm
by AEA
His lies won't matter in 2013!
Just hold on.....we'll get there!
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:28 pm
by Warhammer
Teamless wrote:Then only reason (maybe no only, but you understand) ALL of us don't lie, is that we have a penalty for lying.... Loss of job, jail, loss of family (divorce, etc.), what penalty does he have?
Since 99% (another fictitious number that is unsubstantiated with real scientific proof) of the media won't report on any of his or almost anyone on the left, when they "misspeak", what harm could become of them?
No penalty, no changing
I have to disagree. There
are those of us who try our best to always tell the truth, not because of some penalty for lying, but because it is simply the right thing to do. In my opinion, most people believe that everyone else is pretty much like them. Those who believe that the ends justify the means, and that all's fair as long as you get your way, justify their own bad behavior by saying that everyone is the same way. Do unto others before they have the chance to do unto you. It's a very self-centered approach to life. Obama has no problem lying through his teeth because that is the calibre of person he surrounds himself with, and they all feed off of each other. Lie down with dogs...
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:19 pm
by Pug
Joseph Goebbels – the Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, and one of Adolph Hitler’s closest associates and most devout followers – wrote the following:
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
What he verbalized, Mr. Obama lives as a personal creed. The proverbial leopard cannot change his spots; he is a liar by choice, by character, and by intent. That will not change, short of a rebirth (which is unlikely as he has, evidently, lied about that already, too).
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:39 pm
by The Mad Moderate
Politifact would say different
ow.ly/5FNOs
Not to mention the fact rassmussen has a history of biased polls
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:56 pm
by Teamless
Warhammer wrote:There are those of us who try our best to always tell the truth, not because of some penalty for lying, but because it is simply the right thing to do.
I agree with you, and that is why I tried to do the (
Teamless wrote:maybe no only, but you understand
). I don't lie because it is the right thing to do as well, but my point, as you gathered was he is a compulsive liar and with no penalty to him, why not? (his thought, not mine)
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:58 pm
by Teamless
loadedliberal wrote:Not to mention the fact rassmussen has a history of biased polls
not sure you can say that without also saying that ALL POLLS can be biased and many are - on BOTH sides of ALL issues - many polls are made to prove a point, whereas the polls SHOULD be done to find a result and not fit a perspective.
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:12 pm
by SAK
They didn't poll me. If htey had I would have been on the side of CUT THE SPENDING - DON"T RAISE TAXES!
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:08 pm
by tacticool
His lips are moving.
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:42 pm
by Oldgringo
How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
He's a politician. That's what politicians get paid to do.
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:16 pm
by SQLGeek
Ref, it's like when an assistant coach tells his HC that he didn't say whatever it was he said that got his butt flagged. Everyone knows he's guilty as sin but he's still going to lie about it.
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:27 pm
by quidni
How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Same way one gets to Carnegie Hall. Practice, practice, practice.
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:36 pm
by quidni
Warhammer wrote:Teamless wrote:Then only reason (maybe no only, but you understand) ALL of us don't lie, is that we have a penalty for lying.... Loss of job, jail, loss of family (divorce, etc.), what penalty does he have?
Since 99% (another fictitious number that is unsubstantiated with real scientific proof) of the media won't report on any of his or almost anyone on the left, when they "misspeak", what harm could become of them?
No penalty, no changing
I have to disagree. There
are those of us who try our best to always tell the truth, not because of some penalty for lying, but because it is simply the right thing to do. In my opinion, most people believe that everyone else is pretty much like them. Those who believe that the ends justify the means, and that all's fair as long as you get your way, justify their own bad behavior by saying that everyone is the same way. Do unto others before they have the chance to do unto you. It's a very self-centered approach to life. Obama has no problem lying through his teeth because that is the calibre of person he surrounds himself with, and they all feed off of each other. Lie down with dogs...

I believe lying is probably the worst sin, simply because without it, the other sins aren't as easy to commit or get away with. It's the enabler.
Doesn't mean I've never lied, or that I won't again... incredible how something so destructive can be part of the instinct for self-preservation! It does mean that I try very hard to be truthful, even when it hurts. I've found it leads to greater trust in every relationship, and it also helps with my occasional memory lapses - if I always strive to tell the truth, I don't have to remember which version of the story I've told to which person.

Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:14 pm
by BigPa
Because a pathological liar believes his own lies....