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I had to post this. It goes along with “don’t believe everything you read”.

I read an article on Fox News about living close to a cell phone tower, and looked up “Citizens for Health” that was mentioned in the article. Here it is http://www.citizens.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I hope others find it as entertaining as I did.


I especially got a kick out of the following;

33. Grounding Can Be Beneficial. Grounding replenishes the body with electrons from the earth and stabilizes our electrical systems. Research increasingly shows grounding is a potent anti-inflammatory and regulator of many of the body’s systems and rhythms. There are now grounding sheets; wrist, knee and waste bands; and electrode patches for clinical use that all connect to the earth with either a grounding rod or via the ground port in the electrical socket. See http://www.earthinginstitute.net" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; to read the emerging body of science in this exciting area. Patients sensitive to RF fields sometimes improve if grounded due to the tremendous support provided by the earth’s electrons.

32. Create Electromagnetically Clean Bedrooms. Strive to make the bedroom as electromagnetically clean as possible. This means no sources of microwave radiation (cell phones, portable phones, wireless routers or computer equipment). Also check the levels of electric and magnetic fields and dirty electricity.

I have worked on radio transmitters, microwave communications and electronic equipment for forty years. Someone explain the term dirty electricity to me.

lol, reminds me ::::: my mom was a newspaper columnist. In 1970 when I worked @ an electronics repair shop and had "electronic stuff" scattered call over my room, she wrote a column about her wanting to put tape over all electrical sockets so no electricity would leak out

VoiceofReason wrote:I have worked on radio transmitters, microwave communications and electronic equipment for forty years. Someone explain the term dirty electricity to me.

Well, actually there is such a thing. Any line levels that are not within a required voltage range or have spikes or drops is called 'dirty'. Poor connections, bad wiring, etc. can cause voltage fields and RF radiation outside of the wiring. Here is a site that covers a lot of it http://www.dirtyelectricity.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and here is a white paper http://www.electricalpollution.com/docu ... FAMemf.PDF" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dirty Electricity -- The purpose of a "Washing Machine" is to take electricity out of the wall (where it accumulates and becomes dusty), wash it, then pump it back into the wall where it's stored until either used, or becomes dusty again -- Whereupon it needs washing again. It helps if you remove all your sheet-rock every few years and clean out the enclosed spaces within your walls.

It is the same as unfiltered electricity in regards to all communications, etc as you well know. KE5LDO...

I have worked on and built power supply filters and worked on RF filters, circulators, isolators and combiners. I have an Associate Degree in Electronics Technology from Texas State Technical College and an FCC Radio Technicians license with a Radar Endorsement. As I sit here I can see two shelves of books on everything from Electronic Communications to Digital Systems to Optoelectronics. I don’t remember the term “dirty electricity” in any of them.

Granted faulty electrical systems can and will radiate RF interference. I have seen this more times and in more ways than I can remember. My point is that these folks are using people’s lack of knowledge to create unnecessary fear. If there was any danger from EMF, you would think cancer and other health issues would be rampant among electronics technicians. After all there are thousands across the country that work in high EM fields every day.

When I read this my first thought was to start a business selling “filters” to “clean electricity” and EMF “shields” to people. I guess that is the reason I am not, and never will be rich. I cannot take advantage of people that way.

"Grounding replenishes the body with electrons from the earth"????

VoiceofReason wrote:
"Grounding replenishes the body with electrons from the earth"????

I know this for a fact when both the dog I was walking on a metal cable leash and myself had our hair stand up during a lightning strike nearby... (about 200 feet away) I hit the ground , the dog freaked, we felt recharged and it felt really good (to be alive) after that

Dog had a thunder phobia after that ,,, a serious one.

Keith B wrote:

VoiceofReason wrote:I have worked on radio transmitters, microwave communications and electronic equipment for forty years. Someone explain the term dirty electricity to me.

Well, actually there is such a thing. Any line levels that are not within a required voltage range or have spikes or drops is called 'dirty'. Poor connections, bad wiring, etc. can cause voltage fields and RF radiation outside of the wiring. Here is a site that covers a lot of it http://www.dirtyelectricity.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and here is a white paper http://www.electricalpollution.com/docu ... FAMemf.PDF" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Keith,

No disrespect intended but the two citations you posted seemed only to have anecdotal “evidence” and the white paper hawked “The “Stetzerizer,” the Graham/Stetzer filter” and an “inexpensive meter developed by Dr. Martin Graham” that “detects levels of radio-frequency radiation on household wiring.”

Looks like a money maker.

http://www.nature4less.com/index.php?ma ... ucts_id=14" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

After searching the web and seeing so much on this topic, looks like OSHA should look into this in order to protect technicians. Would all the illnesses listed be covered by Workers Compensation?

Sorry about that but I wanted to make the point that if this really was a problem we would see some serious scientific study of it.

VoiceofReason wrote:I have worked on and built power supply filters and worked on RF filters, circulators, isolators and combiners. I have an Associate Degree in Electronics Technology from Texas State Technical College and an FCC Radio Technicians license with a Radar Endorsement. As I sit here I can see two shelves of books on everything from Electronic Communications to Digital Systems to Optoelectronics. I don’t remember the term “dirty electricity” in any of them.

I hear it a lot in my field (audio engineer). The further off a pure 60 Hz sine wave you get, the worse stuff sounds. Ever plug an amp into one circuit and hear buzz (not a 60 Hz hum, that's a different problem), then have to noise go away when you plug the same amp into a different circuit? That's dirty electricity. I've run into it with some regularity, especially in bars that didn't think things through when they were wiring the building. (The other big problem is not enough power. I was once tasked with running the band, 4,000 watts of lights, and a 10,000 watt PA off of four 10 amp circuits... <shakes fist>)

Of course, equipment designers could do more to create power supplies that shield the rest of the circuitry from unpleasantries in the mains, but that would mean they would have to think about it.

RPB wrote:

VoiceofReason wrote:
"Grounding replenishes the body with electrons from the earth"????

I know this for a fact when both the dog I was walking on a metal cable leash and myself had our hair stand up during a lightning strike nearby... (about 200 feet away) I hit the ground , the dog freaked, we felt recharged and it felt really good (to be alive) after that

Dog had a thunder phobia after that ,,, a serious one.

Sounds like a close one. I think I would have had a laundry problem.

Dave2 wrote:

VoiceofReason wrote:I have worked on and built power supply filters and worked on RF filters, circulators, isolators and combiners. I have an Associate Degree in Electronics Technology from Texas State Technical College and an FCC Radio Technicians license with a Radar Endorsement. As I sit here I can see two shelves of books on everything from Electronic Communications to Digital Systems to Optoelectronics. I don’t remember the term “dirty electricity” in any of them.

I hear it a lot in my field (audio engineer). The further off a pure 60 Hz sine wave you get, the worse stuff sounds. Ever plug an amp into one circuit and hear buzz (not a 60 Hz hum, that's a different problem), then have to noise go away when you plug the same amp into a different circuit? That's dirty electricity. I've run into it with some regularity, especially in bars that didn't think things through when they were wiring the building. (The other big problem is not enough power. I was once tasked with running the band, 4,000 watts of lights, and a 10,000 watt PA off of four 10 amp circuits... <shakes fist>)

Of course, equipment designers could do more to create power supplies that shield the rest of the circuitry from unpleasantries in the mains, but that would mean they would have to think about it.

I have allways heard that the big difference between good amps and cheap ones is the power supply.

VoiceofReason wrote:When I read this my first thought was to start a business selling “filters” to “clean electricity”

Something like a low pass filter?

VoiceofReason wrote:

Keith B wrote:

VoiceofReason wrote:I have worked on radio transmitters, microwave communications and electronic equipment for forty years. Someone explain the term dirty electricity to me.

Well, actually there is such a thing. Any line levels that are not within a required voltage range or have spikes or drops is called 'dirty'. Poor connections, bad wiring, etc. can cause voltage fields and RF radiation outside of the wiring. Here is a site that covers a lot of it http://www.dirtyelectricity.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and here is a white paper http://www.electricalpollution.com/docu ... FAMemf.PDF" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Keith,

No disrespect intended but the two citations you posted seemed only to have anecdotal “evidence” and the white paper hawked “The “Stetzerizer,” the Graham/Stetzer filter” and an “inexpensive meter developed by Dr. Martin Graham” that “detects levels of radio-frequency radiation on household wiring.”

Looks like a money maker.

http://www.nature4less.com/index.php?ma ... ucts_id=14" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

After searching the web and seeing so much on this topic, looks like OSHA should look into this in order to protect technicians. Would all the illnesses listed be covered by Workers Compensation?

Sorry about that but I wanted to make the point that if this really was a problem we would see some serious scientific study of it.

Well, I also have those certifications you have, and EM exposure is a real issue IMO. How big a risk is the question. Exposure to 'dirty electricity', aka EM or RF radiated from power lines and other sources has been studied for the effects on the human body. And, while opinions vary, there is enough concern to warrant the investigation further. And while OSHAdoesn't set the standards on EM exposure recommendations, the OET and ICES does http://www.ices-emfsafety.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. And I have worked on high powered RF and large electrical systems for over 30 years myself and do believe that long term exposure even at low levels does pose a risk; but it is not a guarantee that you will develop a cancer or some other impact from it, or that something else won't get you first.

VoiceofReason wrote:FCC Radio Technicians license with a Radar Endorsement.

Cool, I have one of those too. Haven't run across too many people with them. When I was getting out of the Marine Corps (Avionics Technician), it was 'highly recommended' to pick up this license for future employment purposes - so I did. That was about 18 years ago - I have never needed or used it once.