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VA: Gun crime drops at bars after you-know-what is allowed
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:09 pm
by ELB
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/news ... r-1237278/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It is all in the first couple paras, like they taught me to do in junior high:
Virginia's bars and restaurants did not turn into shooting galleries as some had feared during the first year of a new state law that allows patrons with permits to carry concealed guns into alcohol-serving businesses, a Richmond Times-Dispatch analysis found.
The number of major crimes involving firearms at bars and restaurants statewide declined 5.2 percent from July 1, 2010, to June 30, 2011, compared with the fiscal year before the law went into effect, according to crime data compiled by Virginia State Police at the newspaper's request.
Shazam.
Interesting side note: According to the article, it is legal to open carry and drink alcohol, but not legal to conceal carry and drink.
Re: VA: Gun crime drops at bars after you-know-what is allow
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:42 pm
by Oldgringo
ELB wrote:http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/news ... r-1237278/
It is all in the first couple paras, like they taught me to do in junior high:
Virginia's bars and restaurants did not turn into shooting galleries as some had feared during the first year of a new state law that allows patrons with permits to carry concealed guns into alcohol-serving businesses, a Richmond Times-Dispatch analysis found.
The number of major crimes involving firearms at bars and restaurants statewide declined 5.2 percent from July 1, 2010, to June 30, 2011, compared with the fiscal year before the law went into effect, according to crime data compiled by Virginia State Police at the newspaper's request.
Shazam.
Interesting side note: According to the article, it is legal to open carry and drink alcohol, but not legal to conceal carry and drink.
As a rule, bad guys do not open carry.
Re: VA: Gun crime drops at bars after you-know-what is allow
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:20 am
by mamabearCali
Yeah! Note in VA before this law went into place it did not matter if the place was Capital Ale house and you were there to eat steaks or if it was a bar, if it served one drop of alcohol CC was illegal. Glad I don't have to be unarmed in applebees anymore!
Re: VA: Gun crime drops at bars after you-know-what is allow
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:08 am
by chasfm11
ELB wrote:http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/news ... r-1237278/
It is all in the first couple paras, like they taught me to do in junior high:
Virginia's bars and restaurants did not turn into shooting galleries as some had feared during the first year of a new state law that allows patrons with permits to carry concealed guns into alcohol-serving businesses, a Richmond Times-Dispatch analysis found.
The number of major crimes involving firearms at bars and restaurants statewide declined 5.2 percent from July 1, 2010, to June 30, 2011, compared with the fiscal year before the law went into effect, according to crime data compiled by Virginia State Police at the newspaper's request.
Shazam.
Interesting side note: According to the article, it is legal to open carry and drink alcohol, but not legal to conceal carry and drink.
So all I have to do is put my shirt tail on the inside of my IWB and I'm good to go?
Re: VA: Gun crime drops at bars after you-know-what is allow
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:34 am
by 74novaman
I'm just shocked that there wasn't blood in the streets. Shocked I tell you.
Re: VA: Gun crime drops at bars after you-know-what is allow
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:11 pm
by steveincowtown
chasfm11 wrote:
So all I have to do is put my shirt tail on the inside of my IWB and I'm good to go?
Yup it is called the "Virginia Tuck."
The silly part of how the law used to be is that you could not CC into bars/restaurants. As I would go in I would tuck my shirt behind by gun. Either way if someone did notice my weapon, it was by default not concealed, and therefore you could not be guilty of CC'ing in these areas.
Re: VA: Gun crime drops at bars after you-know-what is allow
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:12 pm
by C-dub
ELB wrote:
Interesting side note: According to the article, it is legal to open carry and drink alcohol, but not legal to conceal carry and drink.
That's just weird.
I was up in Kansas last week and again thought about OCing for the first time. I did at one of the rest stops along the turnpike, but only outside. I did not go inside. It sill felt too strange. No one freaked out, but I don't think anyone saw it anyway.
Re: VA: Gun crime drops at bars after you-know-what is allow
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:00 pm
by ELB
C-dub wrote:ELB wrote:
Interesting side note: According to the article, it is legal to open carry and drink alcohol, but not legal to conceal carry and drink.
That's just weird.,.
I suspect it is because the CC part of the law came long much later in history ... I think the open carry part of the law is far older,and no one worried about alcohol and guns too much then. I would bet that just like here, to get the first CC law thru there were probably compromises to assuage the prejudices of various legislators and constituencies, one of them being he bars & restaurants restriction.