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Parking lot law SB321

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:31 pm
by Maxwell
Ok, so we got the parking lot law passed but with a very big caveat: It does not apply to restriced access parking lots! All an emlpoyer has to do is put the basic raisable gate on the interest and the parking lot is now "restricted access!"

The whole point of passing the law was so peole did not have to consider breaking company policy and risk termination simply to be able to defend themselves on the way to and from work! I live in one of the larger cities in Texas and many of the people I work with travel 30-45 minutes or more to get to work or to go home and would like to legally and without fear of corporate reprisal be able to defend themselves. Yet one silly gate that anyone can walk around at any time and there you have it!

My large company still has the 30-06 sign up at the enterance and actually moved it closer to the main enterance so now not even business guests can legally leave their weapons in their car if parked on our premises.

Talk about a waste of a good idea! Until they remove that caveat this bill has no teeth!

Ticked off in Houston,
Max :grumble

Re: Parking lot law SB321

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:49 pm
by apostate
Maxwell wrote:Ok, so we got the parking lot law passed but with a very big caveat: It does not apply to restriced access parking lots! All an emlpoyer has to do is put the basic raisable gate on the interest and the parking lot is now "restricted access!"
I wager they may have a little more difficulty getting an air authorization under Chapter 382, Health and Safety Code.

Re: Parking lot law SB321

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:02 am
by Keith B
Maxwell wrote:Ok, so we got the parking lot law passed but with a very big caveat: It does not apply to restriced access parking lots! All an emlpoyer has to do is put the basic raisable gate on the interest and the parking lot is now "restricted access!"

The whole point of passing the law was so peole did not have to consider breaking company policy and risk termination simply to be able to defend themselves on the way to and from work! I live in one of the larger cities in Texas and many of the people I work with travel 30-45 minutes or more to get to work or to go home and would like to legally and without fear of corporate reprisal be able to defend themselves. Yet one silly gate that anyone can walk around at any time and there you have it!

My large company still has the 30-06 sign up at the enterance and actually moved it closer to the main enterance so now not even business guests can legally leave their weapons in their car if parked on our premises.

Talk about a waste of a good idea! Until they remove that caveat this bill has no teeth!

Ticked off in Houston,
Max :grumble
Sorry, unless you work for a gas or chemical plant, this is incorrect. A controlled parking lot is still covered as long as you leave it in the car. Here is the text from the bill:
S.B. No. 321



AN ACT
relating to an employee's transportation and storage of certain
firearms or ammunition while on certain property owned or
controlled by the employee's employer.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Chapter 52, Labor Code, is amended by adding
Subchapter G to read as follows:
SUBCHAPTER G. RESTRICTIONS ON PROHIBITING EMPLOYEE
TRANSPORTATION OR STORAGE OF CERTAIN FIREARMS OR AMMUNITION
Sec. 52.061. RESTRICTION ON PROHIBITING EMPLOYEE ACCESS TO
OR STORAGE OF FIREARM OR AMMUNITION. A public or private employer
may not prohibit an employee who holds a license to carry a
concealed handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code,
who otherwise lawfully possesses a firearm, or who lawfully
possesses ammunition from transporting or storing a firearm or
ammunition the employee is authorized by law to possess in a locked,
privately owned motor vehicle in a parking lot, parking garage, or
other parking area the employer provides for employees.
Sec. 52.062. EXCEPTIONS. (a) Section 52.061 does not:
(1) authorize a person who holds a license to carry a
concealed handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code,
who otherwise lawfully possesses a firearm, or who lawfully
possesses ammunition to possess a firearm or ammunition on any
property where the possession of a firearm or ammunition is
prohibited by state or federal law; or
(2) apply to:
(A) a vehicle owned or leased by a public or
private employer and used by an employee in the course and scope of
the employee's employment, unless the employee is required to
transport or store a firearm in the official discharge of the
employee's duties;
(B) a school district;
(C) an open-enrollment charter school, as
defined by Section 5.001, Education Code;
(D) a private school, as defined by Section
22.081, Education Code;
(E) property owned or controlled by a person,
other than the employer, that is subject to a valid, unexpired oil,
gas, or other mineral lease that contains a provision prohibiting
the possession of firearms on the property; or
(F) property owned or leased by a chemical
manufacturer or oil and gas refiner with an air authorization under
Chapter 382, Health and Safety Code, and on which the primary
business conducted is the manufacture, use, storage, or
transportation of hazardous, combustible, or explosive materials,
except in regard to an employee who holds a license to carry a
concealed handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code,
and who stores a firearm or ammunition the employee is authorized by
law to possess in a locked, privately owned motor vehicle in a
parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area the employer
provides for employees that is outside of a secured and restricted
area:
(i) that contains the physical plant;
(ii) that is not open to the public; and
(iii) the ingress into which is constantly
monitored by security personnel.
(b) Section 52.061 does not prohibit an employer from
prohibiting an employee who holds a license to carry a concealed
handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, or who
otherwise lawfully possesses a firearm, from possessing a firearm
the employee is otherwise authorized by law to possess on the
premises of the employer's business. In this subsection,
"premises" has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035(f)(3), Penal
Code.
Sec. 52.063. IMMUNITY FROM CIVIL LIABILITY. (a) Except in
cases of gross negligence, a public or private employer, or the
employer's principal, officer, director, employee, or agent, is not
liable in a civil action for personal injury, death, property
damage, or any other damages resulting from or arising out of an
occurrence involving a firearm or ammunition that the employer is
required to allow on the employer's property under this subchapter.
(b) The presence of a firearm or ammunition on an employer's
property under the authority of this subchapter does not by itself
constitute a failure by the employer to provide a safe workplace.
(c) For purposes of this section, a public or private
employer, or the employer's principal, officer, director,
employee, or agent, does not have a duty:
(1) to patrol, inspect, or secure:
(A) any parking lot, parking garage, or other
parking area the employer provides for employees; or
(B) any privately owned motor vehicle located in
a parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area described by
Paragraph (A); or
(2) to investigate, confirm, or determine an
employee's compliance with laws related to the ownership or
possession of a firearm or ammunition or the transportation and
storage of a firearm or ammunition.
Sec. 52.064. CONSTRUCTION OF PROVISION RELATING TO IMMUNITY
FROM CIVIL LIABILITY. Section 52.063 does not limit or alter the
personal liability of:
(1) an individual who causes harm or injury by using a
firearm or ammunition;
(2) an individual who aids, assists, or encourages
another individual to cause harm or injury by using a firearm or
ammunition; or
(3) an employee who transports or stores a firearm or
ammunition on the property of the employee's employer but who fails
to comply with the requirements of Section 52.061.
SECTION 2. Section 411.203, Government Code, is amended to
read as follows:
Sec. 411.203. RIGHTS OF EMPLOYERS. This subchapter does
not prevent or otherwise limit the right of a public or private
employer to prohibit persons who are licensed under this subchapter
from carrying a concealed handgun on the premises of the business.
In this section, "premises" has the meaning assigned by Section
46.035(f)(3), Penal Code.
SECTION 3. The change in law made by this Act applies only
to a cause of action that accrues on or after the effective date of
this Act. A cause of action that accrues before that date is
governed by the law as it existed immediately before the effective
date of this Act, and that law is continued in effect for that
purpose.
SECTION 4. This Act takes effect September 1, 2011.

Re: Parking lot law SB321

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:34 pm
by Maxwell
Fair enough but there are two points that can be questioned:
(ii) that is not open to the public; and
(iii) the ingress into which is constantly
monitored by security personnel.

A gate, like a fence around your home, would seem to indicate private property and not open to the public.
A single camera on the enterance could be concidered "constantly monitored."

So my point still stands, but is open to debate of course. :bigear:

Max

Re: Parking lot law SB321

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:38 pm
by Keith B
Maxwell wrote:Fair enough but there are two points that can be questioned:
(ii) that is not open to the public; and
(iii) the ingress into which is constantly
monitored by security personnel.

A gate, like a fence around your home, would seem to indicate private property and not open to the public.
A single camera on the enterance could be concidered "constantly monitored."

So my point still stands, but is open to debate of course. :bigear:

Max
Those sub-items are for section (F) which pertains ONLY to property owned or leased by a chemical manufacturer or oil and gas refiner with an air authorization under Chapter 382, Health and Safety Code, and on which the primary business conducted is the manufacture, use, storage, or transportation of hazardous, combustible, or explosive materials.

Re: Parking lot law SB321

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:07 pm
by tacticool
A school district doesn't even need a fence or gate.