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Social Revolution in US?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:59 pm
by Beiruty
Anti-Wall Street protesters vow to keep up fight

http://news.yahoo.com/anti-wall-street- ... w--;_ylv=3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Social Revolution in US?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:20 pm
by karl
If they aren't breaking any laws it doesn't seem like their freedom to peaceably assemble is being completely respected.

Re: Social Revolution in US?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:30 pm
by apostate
karl wrote:If they aren't breaking any laws it doesn't seem like their freedom to peaceably assemble is being completely respected.
From what I heard, those cited/arrested were intentionally blocking vehicular traffic lanes. Presumably that's illegal in NYC, as those who obeyed instructions to go back on the sidewalk were not cited/arrested.

Re: Social Revolution in US?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 10:08 pm
by Heartland Patriot
The whole thing seems very contrived ssolely for the purpose of getting news coverage. Also, probably to intentionally to get someone in law enforcement to do something to them to get it caught on camera, so they can look like some kind of martyrs for a cause.

Re: Social Revolution in US?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 10:13 pm
by MadMonkey
Apparently, some Marines are going to join the protest to "protect" the protesters. Guess there's idiots in every walk of life...

From what I've deciphered on Reddit, they're crying for higher taxes on the rich... bunch of kids that want to feel like they're part of something, and adults with nothing better to do.

At least that's what I'm seeing.

Re: Social Revolution in US?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:08 pm
by Beiruty
Some young americans are feeling that they are missing the american dream, this is why the are protesting. No jobs, no income is the worst that can happen to a desparte young man/woman.

Re: Social Revolution in US?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:35 am
by bnc
That is why the young man in Tunisia burned himself alive, which was the start to the Arab Spring. In his case it was the government that put him out of business, so to speak, but the result is the same. He reportedly cried out "How do you expect me to make a living?" just before igniting himself in the street.

An man in Minnesota killed himself a few days ago due to being laid off, leaving behind 3 daughters. http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/10/0 ... osing-job/

There where several similar stories when the housing/financial bubble popped in 2008, and we'll only see more as depression sets in.

Re: Social Revolution in US?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:59 am
by speedsix
...it's understandable why folks are frustrated and depressed...but there are quitters and there are fighters...it's always been that way...same thing happened during the Depression...we should choose to be fighters and deal with the problems the best we can...quitting does noone any good...some of the best accomplishments by Americans have come during the worst times...I may die before all this gets sorted out...but it WON'T be by my own hand!!!

Re: Social Revolution in US?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:31 am
by Purplehood
speedsix wrote:...it's understandable why folks are frustrated and depressed...but there are quitters and there are fighters...it's always been that way...same thing happened during the Depression...we should choose to be fighters and deal with the problems the best we can...quitting does noone any good...some of the best accomplishments by Americans have come during the worst times...I may die before all this gets sorted out...but it WON'T be by my own hand!!!
Gah! Quit saying things I agree with!

Re: Social Revolution in US?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:01 am
by mamabearCali
You know those in the crowd look mostly young adult-ish. I don't see many dads with three kids in the crowd--why would that be--oh yes they are out there making a living as they can. Ahh the naivety of youth and lovely irresponsibility. Like putting more taxes on the rich is going to fix the job situation here in America. I don't think this will be anything more than a glorified holiday for these guys. It is not the same as the arab countries--we have the ability to make political changes to our country. Yes, these are VERY hard times, but you still have options here in this country. Not for long though if we keep the incompetent people in power we have now.

Re: Social Revolution in US?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:23 am
by chasfm11
MadMonkey wrote:Apparently, some Marines are going to join the protest to "protect" the protesters. Guess there's idiots in every walk of life...

From what I've deciphered on Reddit, they're crying for higher taxes on the rich... bunch of kids that want to feel like they're part of something, and adults with nothing better to do.

At least that's what I'm seeing.
I recognize two things: not everyone here is a fan of Fox News and that it is possible to find inarticulate, misguided folks in just about any kind of a protest but this clip is particularly telling.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/119322143600 ... t-protest/

I'm fine with people protesting for what they want. It would be nice for them to be able to say what they want.

I actually agree with some of the protestors' premises. There is collusion (through lobbying) by the big banks and brokerage firms, among others, to stack the deck against citizens. The same government officials that rail against Wall-Street have bent to their wishes with favorable legislation. The bankruptcy law changes a few years ago were a great example. What I don't agree with is that replacing capitalism with communism is a solution to those problems.

I thought that sound bite where Watters asked what a protestor would do if a job were offered to her was interesting. A lot of the protestors apparently are of the "hand out" persuasion.

Re: Social Revolution in US?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:27 am
by VMI77
chasfm11 wrote:
MadMonkey wrote:Apparently, some Marines are going to join the protest to "protect" the protesters. Guess there's idiots in every walk of life...

From what I've deciphered on Reddit, they're crying for higher taxes on the rich... bunch of kids that want to feel like they're part of something, and adults with nothing better to do.

At least that's what I'm seeing.
I recognize two things: not everyone here is a fan of Fox News and that it is possible to find inarticulate, misguided folks in just about any kind of a protest but this clip is particularly telling.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/119322143600 ... t-protest/

I'm fine with people protesting for what they want. It would be nice for them to be able to say what they want.

I actually agree with some of the protestors' premises. There is collusion (through lobbying) by the big banks and brokerage firms, among others, to stack the deck against citizens. The same government officials that rail against Wall-Street have bent to their wishes with favorable legislation. The bankruptcy law changes a few years ago were a great example. What I don't agree with is that replacing capitalism with communism is a solution to those problems.

I thought that sound bite where Watters asked what a protestor would do if a job were offered to her was interesting. A lot of the protestors apparently are of the "hand out" persuasion.
I'd say TARP is a better example than the bankruptcy law change: open theft on an unprecedented scale in the face of overwhelming opposition from the public. On the plus side at least these protestors are smart enough to realize they're getting screwed --a lot of Americans still haven't figured out that the system is rigged. On the downside, what can you expect, they know they're getting screwed but they don't know understand how, and they've been indoctrinated with collectivism in the schools and the media for their entire lives. Socialism "feels good" and this is a decadent society that holds feelings in the highest esteem.

Re: Social Revolution in US?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:34 am
by The Annoyed Man
the article's author wrote:In Los Angeles, more than 100 protesters camped out in front of City Hall overnight Saturday. Occupy Wall Street organizers say they hope to see such protests spread across the country.
According to the 2010 census, the population of Los Angeles is/was 3,792,621. Apparently, "more than 100" of them engaged in this. The other 3,792,521 were busy elsewhere. I mention that, just to put into perspective Reuters' attempt to make it sound like more than it is.

Re: Social Revolution in US?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:44 am
by speedsix
Purplehood wrote:
speedsix wrote:...it's understandable why folks are frustrated and depressed...but there are quitters and there are fighters...it's always been that way...same thing happened during the Depression...we should choose to be fighters and deal with the problems the best we can...quitting does noone any good...some of the best accomplishments by Americans have come during the worst times...I may die before all this gets sorted out...but it WON'T be by my own hand!!!
Gah! Quit saying things I agree with!

...even a blind squirrel..........

Re: Social Revolution in US?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:03 am
by Purplehood
speedsix wrote:
Purplehood wrote:
speedsix wrote:...it's understandable why folks are frustrated and depressed...but there are quitters and there are fighters...it's always been that way...same thing happened during the Depression...we should choose to be fighters and deal with the problems the best we can...quitting does noone any good...some of the best accomplishments by Americans have come during the worst times...I may die before all this gets sorted out...but it WON'T be by my own hand!!!
Gah! Quit saying things I agree with!

...even a blind squirrel..........
I had to Google that one.