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Ok something that I did not know,
I just recently went on a guided duck hunt down in port Oconner and on the Itinerary is said a hunting license and make shure it says HIP on it under your name,(mine did)

So i get down there and ask the guide what it is. He said its where when you get your license they ask you how many birds you have taken so forth and so on.

Well he said his wife (new hunter) they went down bird hunting and got stoped by a game warden and she didnt have it. My guide said she is a first time hunter and that they didnt ask the question where they purchased the license the warden said that didnt matter and gave her a 100 dollar ticket.

Why would it be are responsibility if they are the ones that didnt ask the question

Shu wrote:Ok something that I did not know,
I just recently went on a guided duck hunt down in port Oconner and on the Itinerary is said a hunting license and make shure it says HIP on it under your name,(mine did)

So i get down there and ask the guide what it is. He said its where when you get your license they ask you how many birds you have taken so forth and so on.

Well he said his wife (new hunter) they went down bird hunting and got stoped by a game warden and she didnt have it. My guide said she is a first time hunter and that they didnt ask the question where they purchased the license the warden said that didnt matter and gave her a 100 dollar ticket.

Why would it be are responsibility if they are the ones that didnt ask the question

Good question. I am not sure if it is the responsibility of the seller or the hunter to request HIP. They didn't ask me this year when I got my license, but they normally do. My license does have the HIP certification on it though. They usually ask how many Dove, Ducks... that you took the year before for the HIP. She can probably fight it if she goes to court, if required, and tells them that the licensing location did not ask the required questions.

From the Parks and Wildlife website;

You have to be HIP!
"Certification" Required to hunt migratory game birds in Texas
Do you hunt doves, ducks, geese, sandhill cranes, woodcock, rails, snipe, coots or gallinules in Texas? If so, you must be HIP certified before go {sic}hunting. When you buy a hunting license you will be asked if you intend to hunt any migratory game birds during the upcoming hunting seasons. When you answer yes, your license will indicate that you are "HIP Certified." You will then be asked a few simple questions about your hunting success last year. That's it! There is no cost to you.


http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/hu ... _game/hip/

Shu wrote:Ok something that I did not know,
I just recently went on a guided duck hunt down in port Oconner and on the Itinerary is said a hunting license and make shure it says HIP on it under your name,(mine did)

So i get down there and ask the guide what it is. He said its where when you get your license they ask you how many birds you have taken so forth and so on.

Well he said his wife (new hunter) they went down bird hunting and got stoped by a game warden and she didnt have it. My guide said she is a first time hunter and that they didnt ask the question where they purchased the license the warden said that didnt matter and gave her a 100 dollar ticket.

Why would it be are responsibility if they are the ones that didnt ask the question

It is the hunter's responsibility to make sure they have the proper tags, stamps, endorsements, etc. at all times. We remind all our hunter ed students that they need to make sure that thy get the right stuff, because the clerk at Wal-Mart may not have a clue what they're doing.

Yes, the clerk should have asked the right questions, but their failure to do so isn't going to get you out of a ticket.

Speaking of Hunters Ed. It took the local Academy 5 times to get my HE# on my license. They had no clue what they were doing and told me I would have to go to the local TPWD to clear it up. I did after the first time and they said Academy didnt know what they were doing.

Regardless, someone pushed enough buttons that it finally got it on the license....

What is funny though... The Assisant Manager told me that it was not supposed to be on there and that I would have to make sure I had my HE card with me at all times...

DP

That's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

No, I take that back... because government never ceases to amaze me.

dpatterson wrote:Speaking of Hunters Ed. It took the local Academy 5 times to get my HE# on my license. They had no clue what they were doing and told me I would have to go to the local TPWD to clear it up. I did after the first time and they said Academy didnt know what they were doing.

Regardless, someone pushed enough buttons that it finally got it on the license....

What is funny though... The Assisant Manager told me that it was not supposed to be on there and that I would have to make sure I had my HE card with me at all times...

DP

I am so glad I am old as dirt.

I was waiting for that from someone.... Funny how I get no pity when I complain about turning 30 a couple weeks ago.


LT... I will have to show you the Marlin 336 30-30 that I rebuilt. I have before and after pics...

Post the pics for all the guys & gals on the board. I want to hold it.
BTW I aint seen that new baby yet either.

Another hunter ed. instructor here. And in agreement with most of what has been said about individual responsibility - but also exasperated many times over TP&W's self-induced complexities and ongoing computer problems.

Quote: "Yes, the clerk should have asked the right questions, but their failure to do so isn't going to get you out of a ticket."

I would guess, depending upon the jurisdiction, there would be a decent chance of getting the ticket at least reduced, particularly if that was the only citation the woman received during the encounter. And if she had nothing better to do with her time than to squabble over $100. Heck, she might want to fight it over principle!

I would point out that she was very much trying to be compliant with the law by purchasing BOTH the Texas waterfowl endorsement AND the federal duck stamp. And state the fact that a "reasonable person" would conclude that a STATE AUTHORIZED license vendor selling these items to hunters should provide ALL appropriate documentation in exchange for the specific monies received.

Again, certainly no lawyer here, but it disgusts me to see new hunters - especially kids and females - being "introduced" to the sport in this manner.

Greybeard wrote:Again, certainly no lawyer here, but it disgusts me to see new hunters - especially kids and females - being "introduced" to the sport in this manner.

Game wardens used to be the friends of hunters and the bane of poachers.

I hear way too many stories of the "new breed" of game wardens going waaaay overboard. I don't know a single hunter or fisherman who views an encounter with anything but dread.

Kevin

Game wardens receive super strenuous training similar to DPS officers and probably leave their academy with a really gung-ho attitude. I know of instances locally where DPS troopers have issued traffic tickets to off-duty cops from other agencies. I know that these folks have called the local sheriff and informed him that a deputy was speeding in a patrol car on duty. This has occurred several times. In a nearby city a DPS trooper stopped a city cop and lectured him about speeding on I-35, which was within the cop's jurisdiction. MY POINT: Their training has produced a rules oriented mindset, especially with the younger ones. I predict that they will mellow with time. Also, let's remember that both groups have a thankless, dangerous job.

loosecannon wrote: In a nearby city a DPS trooper stopped a city cop and lectured him about speeding on I-35, which was within the cop's jurisdiction.

Not to hijack the thread, but good for him; if the city cop wasn't actually on a call, then there's no reason for him not to set an example of what good driving should be.

KD5NRH wrote:

loosecannon wrote: In a nearby city a DPS trooper stopped a city cop and lectured him about speeding on I-35, which was within the cop's jurisdiction.

Not to hijack the thread, but good for him; if the city cop wasn't actually on a call, then there's no reason for him not to set an example of what good driving should be.

I wish he'd lecture the entire DPS about driving in the left lane when not passing.

Kevin