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Reckon Galco makes an IWB for that?

dev_null wrote:Reckon Galco makes an IWB for that?

Was wondering the same thing. However, at 250 lbs sans ammo, it might be easier to carry a cop.

You better have 50k and you better hurry, there are only a few left.

It fires .45-70 cartridges at up to 800 rounds per minutes (the speed depends on how fast you can crank the handle)

Thats a whole lot of THUMP heading down range!

AndyC wrote:Man - I couldn't afford to shoot that thing even if it was chambered for .22LR. Too much fun!

At about $1.50 / round and 800 rds/min is about $1200 for one minute of fun. I need to win the Lotto.

JJVP wrote:

AndyC wrote:Man - I couldn't afford to shoot that thing even if it was chambered for .22LR. Too much fun!

At about $1.50 / round and 800 rds/min is about $1200 for one minute of fun. I need to win the Lotto.

A $1.50 per round is $150 per hundred rounds. A handloader casting his own bullets could shoot that for one heck of a lot less than that -- as low as 1/30th of the cost.

If you scrounge your lead for free, the bullets are free. So let's assume you pay $1/lb for lead. For 300 gr bullets your bullet cost per hundred rounds would be $4.28.

For range use light "Trapdoor" loads should be fine -- no need for full power hunting loads for some range fun. IMR's Trail Boss at 14 gr per round give a powder cost of $3.42 per hundred.

Cheapest primers right now are Wolf LR at PVI for $16.00/1000 or $1.60 per hundred.

So free lead and you are shooting for $5.02 per hundred. Purchase lead and you are shooting for $9.30 per hundred.

I am ignoring brass cost because you should be able to get one heck of a lot of reloads from cases that are shot with that low of pressure. Even if you factor brass cost in, new brass is about $42/100, but with annealing necks you should be able to shoot it for one heck of a long time . . . I don't know how many reloads is reasonable. Maybe a cowboy action shooter would know.

Jumping Frog wrote:

JJVP wrote:

AndyC wrote:Man - I couldn't afford to shoot that thing even if it was chambered for .22LR. Too much fun!

At about $1.50 / round and 800 rds/min is about $1200 for one minute of fun. I need to win the Lotto.

A $1.50 per round is $150 per hundred rounds. A handloader casting his own bullets could shoot that for one heck of a lot less than that -- as low as 1/30th of the cost.

If you scrounge your lead for free, the bullets are free. So let's assume you pay $1/lb for lead. For 300 gr bullets your bullet cost per hundred rounds would be $4.28.

For range use light "Trapdoor" loads should be fine -- no need for full power hunting loads for some range fun. IMR's Trail Boss at 14 gr per round give a powder cost of $3.42 per hundred.

Cheapest primers right now are Wolf LR at PVI for $16.00/1000 or $1.60 per hundred.

So free lead and you are shooting for $5.02 per hundred. Purchase lead and you are shooting for $9.30 per hundred.

I am ignoring brass cost because you should be able to get one heck of a lot of reloads from cases that are shot with that low of pressure. Even if you factor brass cost in, new brass is about $42/100, but with annealing necks you should be able to shoot it for one heck of a long time . . . I don't know how many reloads is reasonable. Maybe a cowboy action shooter would know.

You are leaving out labor and equipment cost. I'm sure you did not get the hand loading equipment for free. So the cost of the equipment needs to be factored in the equation. For example, if you spend $500 in the equipment. And make only 100 rounds of ammo, the price of each round is $5.00 + the cost of the materials + the cost of labor. The more rounds you make, the lower that first number becomes. But it never disappears. That does not even include utilities and facilities cost. Now, I've never hand loaded, so I'm not sure the if following numbers are off the mark. Let's assume you can make each round in 15 sec or 4 rounds a minute. It will take you 200 minutes to make 800 rounds. That's 3 hrs and 20 minutes to make enough ammo to shoot 1 minute.

The bottom line is that although it still might be cheaper to use handloaded ammo, it is not as cheap as you make it to be. Still very expensive for a 1 min of fun.

JJVP wrote:You are leaving out labor and equipment cost. I'm sure you did not get the hand loading equipment for free. . . .
The bottom line is that although it still might be cheaper to use handloaded ammo, it is not as cheap as you make it to be. Still very expensive for a 1 min of fun.

First of all, it is a hobby, not a job. Do you charge yourself $ per hour to swim in a pool, hang out at the beach, visit a friend, go for a run, or go to church?

However, even if if I were to impute some form of inherent labor cost, I can make about 250-275 rounds of handgun ammunition per man hour (both bullet casting and handloading total). That means that even ammo that is less expensive than .45-70, such as .45 ACP, provides the equivalent savings of about $70 per man hour.

I maintain that almost no-one is a long-term handloader unless the activity is enjoyable to them. If it was simply to save money, most people wouldn't put up with the hassle.

Now let's talk equipment.

MidwayUSA sells Buffalo Bore Ammunition 44 Remington Magnum 255 Grain Lead Keith-Type Semi-Wadcutter Gas Check Box of 20 for $34.49 per box of 20. That is $172.45 per hundred.

My comparable (if not superior) handloaded .44 magnum, with gas checks, has a variable cost of $11.50 per hundred. In my first 300 rounds of .44 Mag, I saved $482.85.

My equipment costs for my progressive press, dies, and casting equipment was around $500. So I reached payback on the equipment cost after my first 300 rounds of .44 Mag.

Since then, I have loaded roughly 20,000 rounds of various calibers on equipment that had long since paid for itself. In my opinion, judging my savings on incremental variable costs makes perfect sense.