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I know a guy who may have broken the law?
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:32 pm
by Shinesintx
I know a guy who may have broken a law? This guy I know was in Oklahoma earlier today. He was not carrying, but he had his CCW in the vehicle with him. This guy ended up visiting a physician clinic which was on Indian Nation property...and they had signs which said that firearms were not permitted on the property. I think he went ahead and made the visit from what I understand. Once he conducted the business that this Indian Nation requested...he high tailed it out of there. Did he break any laws? What should he have done? What could/should he have done with the firearm?
I would like to learn from this possible mistake. Thanks for your input....and yes, I know, it aint Texas.
Re: I know a guy who may have broken the law?
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:48 pm
by RoyGBiv
I believe the answer is... "It depends".
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What tribal lands was it? Each tribe will have their own laws.
He would need to know and follow the laws governing that specific land, just like traveling to another state.
Re: I know a guy who may have broken the law?
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:54 pm
by Shinesintx
RoyGBiv wrote:I believe the answer is... "it Depends".
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/tribal_law_ccw.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
What tribal lands was it? Each tribe will have their own laws.
He would need to know and follow the laws governing that specific land, just like traveling to another state.
Wyandotte...so I was told. Talk about a mess to read through. I am certain that he was not carrying, he just had the weapon in his vehicle.
Re: I know a guy who may have broken the law?
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:05 pm
by Oldgringo
I'm guilty.
That said, it's probably best to stow the firearm if there's any doubt whatsoever. The native Americans have every right to be {upset} with the white eyes and can confiscate your piece and also do other things to you while on the Res.
YMMV.
Re: I know a guy who may have broken the law?
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:08 pm
by gringo pistolero
Oldgringo wrote:That said, it's probably best to stow the firearm if there's any doubt whatsoever. The native Americans have every right to be {upset} with the white eyes and can confiscate your piece and also do other things to you while on the Res.

Concealed means...wait...what?
Re: I know a guy who may have broken the law?
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:06 pm
by lws380
gringo pistolero wrote:Oldgringo wrote:That said, it's probably best to stow the firearm if there's any doubt whatsoever. The native Americans have every right to be {upset} with the white eyes and can confiscate your piece and also do other things to you while on the Res.

Concealed means...wait...what?
If you hear a banjo playing run as fast as you can!
Re: I know a guy who may have broken the law?
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:26 pm
by alexrex20
I wonder how many people pull over at the state boundary to disarm and lock up the handgun, every time they cross into/out of LA/AR/OK/NM... Then pull over again to unlock the handgun and reholster.
Re: I know a guy who may have broken the law?
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:40 pm
by rdcrags
alexrex20 wrote:I wonder how many people pull over at the state boundary to disarm and lock up the handgun, every time they cross into/out of LA/AR/OK/NM... Then pull over again to unlock the handgun and reholster.
I don't.
Re: I know a guy who may have broken the law?
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:12 am
by RoyGBiv
I'm gonna guess and say FOPA would apply if you're just passing through without stopping.
That is most definitely NOT legal advice. Just me assuming out loud.
Re: I know a guy who may have broken the law?
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:23 am
by Dave2
rdcrags wrote:alexrex20 wrote:I wonder how many people pull over at the state boundary to disarm and lock up the handgun, every time they cross into/out of LA/AR/OK/NM... Then pull over again to unlock the handgun and reholster.
I don't.
Me neither. Am I supposed to?
Re: I know a guy who may have broken the law?
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:23 am
by Purplehood
Darn. Now I gotta lookup "FOPA" on Google.
Re: I know a guy who may have broken the law?
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:18 am
by Shinesintx
Purplehood wrote:Darn. Now I gotta lookup "FOPA" on Google.
I looked up FOPA...good stuff. Sad that I was unaware of this.
Re: I know a guy who may have broken the law?
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:41 am
by Scott in Houston
alexrex20 wrote:I wonder how many people pull over at the state boundary to disarm and lock up the handgun, every time they cross into/out of LA/AR/OK/NM... Then pull over again to unlock the handgun and reholster.
I assume you mean non-CHL carriers? If you have your Texas CHL, why would you do this?
Re: I know a guy who may have broken the law?
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:50 am
by RoyGBiv
Scott in Houston wrote:alexrex20 wrote:I wonder how many people pull over at the state boundary to disarm and lock up the handgun, every time they cross into/out of LA/AR/OK/NM... Then pull over again to unlock the handgun and reholster.
I assume you mean non-CHL carriers? If you have your Texas CHL, why would you do this?
State law, and thus reciprocity, does not apply on tribal lands unless tribal law recognizes that law.
IF FOPA does apply when traveling across tribal land, you would be obligated to stop, unload and secure the weapon, unless tribal law allows otherwise...
This is my OPINION. Not legal advice.
Re: I know a guy who may have broken the law?
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:12 am
by Scott in Houston
RoyGBiv wrote:Scott in Houston wrote:alexrex20 wrote:I wonder how many people pull over at the state boundary to disarm and lock up the handgun, every time they cross into/out of LA/AR/OK/NM... Then pull over again to unlock the handgun and reholster.
I assume you mean non-CHL carriers? If you have your Texas CHL, why would you do this?
State law, and thus reciprocity, does not apply on tribal lands unless tribal law recognizes that law.
IF FOPA does apply when traveling across tribal land, you would be obligated to stop, unload and secure the weapon, unless tribal law allows otherwise...
This is my OPINION. Not legal advice.
I think I misunderstood what he was saying... I was picturing the state boundary with Texas and these states, but he apparently meant the Tribal Land and those states. haha. I took it out of context of the thread. My bad.
When I see those states grouped, in my head, I automatically think, "Texas Border States".