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Hey guys i searched a little bit and could only find a thread that was from 2007-2010. From what i remember, the Granada Theater in Dallas has changed owners a couple of times. The thread i read said there was no 51% or 30.06 signs outside, but one could have been posted from then to now. I will probably be going to a show there tonight, and would obviously like to carry. I know i probably shouldn't have, but i called to ask if there was anything posted

I don't know what part of the chain of command the guy i talked to is in, but he didn't seem to know what i was talking about or if it was posted. Basically this is how it went:

Me: Hi, i was wondering if the Theater had a 51% or a 30.06 sign posted.
Him: what is that?
Me: It's a TABC thing, it means if you make 51% or more of your income through alcohol sales.
Him: Oh, we don't really give that kind of information out over the phone.
Me: Well, if you were, there would be a sign posted outside.
Him: Why are you asking about this?
Me: I'm just wondering. I might be going to the show tonight.
Him: I'd have to go over there and check, the theater isn't open right now.
Me: It's not a big deal, thanks for your time.

I didn't want to run into "you're not allowed to bring a gun to the show tonight" so i didn't make a big deal about it. I guess i'll just have to see for myself if the place is posted.....but does anybody know or has anybody been there recently?

I haven't been there in forever, but it's certainly not 51%.

No idea if they're 30.06 posted. They're not listed on Texas3006.com.

Kythas wrote:I haven't been there in forever, but it's certainly not 51%.

No idea if they're 30.06 posted. They're not listed on Texas3006.com.

ya i tried looking them up on texas3006 and didn't come up with anything, but maybe i'll be the one to add it haha. I'm going to plan on carrying, and hopefully i don't have to make that disappointing walk back to the truck....

Well guys, it's 51%

License #: MB563153


Trade Name: GRANADA

Owner: GRANADA VENDING MANAGEMENT INC
Location Address: 3524 GREENVILLE AVENUE


DALLAS , TX 75206

Mailing Address: 6522 MALCOLM DR


DALLAS , TX 75214



County: Dallas Orig. Issue Date: 9/3/2004
Status: Current Exp. Date: 9/2/2013
Wine Percent:
Location Phone No.: 2148249933 Gun Sign: RED
Subordinates: LB,PE
Related To:

Well, that sucks. Looks like i won't be seeing a concert tonight....

Keith B wrote:Well guys, it's 51%

License #: MB563153


Trade Name: GRANADA

Owner: GRANADA VENDING MANAGEMENT INC
Location Address: 3524 GREENVILLE AVENUE


DALLAS , TX 75206

Mailing Address: 6522 MALCOLM DR


DALLAS , TX 75214



County: Dallas Orig. Issue Date: 9/3/2004
Status: Current Exp. Date: 9/2/2013
Wine Percent:
Location Phone No.: 2148249933 Gun Sign: RED
Subordinates: LB,PE
Related To:

beefmobile wrote:Well, that sucks. Looks like i won't be seeing a concert tonight....

Keith B wrote:Well guys, it's 51%

License #: MB563153


Trade Name: GRANADA

Owner: GRANADA VENDING MANAGEMENT INC
Location Address: 3524 GREENVILLE AVENUE


DALLAS , TX 75206

Mailing Address: 6522 MALCOLM DR


DALLAS , TX 75214



County: Dallas Orig. Issue Date: 9/3/2004
Status: Current Exp. Date: 9/2/2013
Wine Percent:
Location Phone No.: 2148249933 Gun Sign: RED
Subordinates: LB,PE
Related To:

That doesn't seem right to me. Is there a chance they've listed the different parts of the business separately?

I could be wrong, but I would have guessed the ticket sales far outnumber the alcohol, even though they sell plenty of alcohol. I wonder if they separated the two businesses (bar and box office) in the calculation and application for some reason.

Oh well.

fickman wrote:That doesn't seem right to me. Is there a chance they've listed the different parts of the business separately?

I could be wrong, but I would have guessed the ticket sales far outnumber the alcohol, even though they sell plenty of alcohol. I wonder if they separated the two businesses (bar and box office) in the calculation and application for some reason.

Oh well.

Unless you can get the diagram that was submitted to the TABC when the license was issued, then no telling. The big problem is many of these venues like this have a separate LLC or other corporation that does the concessions. They own the liquor license for the venue and they in turn DO make the majority of the money from alcohol sales. The reason many companies do this is if they get sued by someone for alcohol poisoning, serving a minor that gets injured or ends up DUI and kills someone, etc, it doesn't go back against the whole corporation. Also, if the sub-entity loses its liquor license for a violation, then the main company or a newly formed entity can be established and get a liquor license under a different name.

So, my guess on this is the concession vendor (Granada Vendor management, Inc) has the whole location covered so you can take your drinks anywhere in the venue. i have seen the same thing in a bowling alley where the bar is owned by a separate company, but the whole bowling alley is listed. Kimball Art Museum in Ft. Worth is another one. That is the kicker on the law that can catch us without being aware of it until we see a 51% sign or check the database.

Keith B wrote:

fickman wrote:That doesn't seem right to me. Is there a chance they've listed the different parts of the business separately?

I could be wrong, but I would have guessed the ticket sales far outnumber the alcohol, even though they sell plenty of alcohol. I wonder if they separated the two businesses (bar and box office) in the calculation and application for some reason.

Oh well.

Unless you can get the diagram that was submitted to the TABC when the license was issued, then no telling. The big problem is many of these venues like this have a separate LLC or other corporation that does the concessions. They own the liquor license for the venue and they in turn DO make the majority of the money from alcohol sales. The reason many companies do this is if they get sued by someone for alcohol poisoning, serving a minor that gets injured or ends up DUI and kills someone, etc, it doesn't go back against the whole corporation. Also, if the sub-entity loses its liquor license for a violation, then the main company or a newly formed entity can be established and get a liquor license under a different name.

So, my guess on this is the concession vendor (Granada Vendor management, Inc) has the whole location covered so you can take your drinks anywhere in the venue. i have seen the same thing in a bowling alley where the bar is owned by a separate company, but the whole bowling alley is listed. Kimball Art Museum in Ft. Worth is another one. That is the kicker on the law that can catch us without being aware of it until we see a 51% sign or check the database.

Insightful. . . thanks!

hey guys i didn't end up going that night....but my brother has invited me to another concert tonight. So i'm guessing the post above about the red sign is a definitive 'no carry' even though no one has actually seen the sign at the venue??

Keith B wrote:

Unless you can get the diagram that was submitted to the TABC when the license was issued, then no telling. The big problem is many of these venues like this have a separate LLC or other corporation that does the concessions. They own the liquor license for the venue and they in turn DO make the majority of the money from alcohol sales. The reason many companies do this is if they get sued by someone for alcohol poisoning, serving a minor that gets injured or ends up DUI and kills someone, etc, it doesn't go back against the whole corporation. Also, if the sub-entity loses its liquor license for a violation, then the main company or a newly formed entity can be established and get a liquor license under a different name.

So, my guess on this is the concession vendor (Granada Vendor management, Inc) has the whole location covered so you can take your drinks anywhere in the venue. i have seen the same thing in a bowling alley where the bar is owned by a separate company, but the whole bowling alley is listed. Kimball Art Museum in Ft. Worth is another one. That is the kicker on the law that can catch us without being aware of it until we see a 51% sign or check the database. [/quote]

***************** LSL poses the thought ... ************
A similar situation with the Alley Theatre in Houston. Although each ticket (for the performance/stage venue) I attended was $50, the concession was Red 51%. Checking the next day with TABC - indeed was correct posting.

Still, I wonder if TABC rules differentiate a business' primary source of income from its alcohol income. If it did -- would the sales of alcohol actually compose more than 50 percent of that business' total income?
Sounds like one of those word problems in math class:
If X tickets were sold at $50 per ticket and Y beverages were sold at $6 per drink, how many drinks must be sold to exceed 50 percent of that business' revenue for a 300-seat theater, 75 percent filled?