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http://www.npr.org/2012/03/30/149094135 ... ne?ps=cprs

The above link is an 8 minute, 54 second analysis piece which assumes that Texas has become an independent nation,
and how its relationship with the 49 states of the United States would develop. The reporter is based in Austin, Texas
and covers Texas stories from there, and by travelling the Lone Star.

By accessing the link, you can either click on the button at the top to LISTEN to the piece, or you can simply READ the
text of the story below the "listen" button.

As the world's 15th largest economy, other nations would want to have a working relationship with Texas.

I was amused that Foreign Minister/Secretary of State Kinky Friedman (an avid cigar smoker) stated that he would open
up trade with Cuba, in order to foster the development of Texas-wide cigar stores.

Last year, when Rick Perry was talking about Texas seceding from the United States, a poll revealed that
18% of Texans favored secession.

SIA

I would not reccomend it....did not work out so well the first time. However I could see a variant of this happening if the Feds decided to try and repeal the second amendment or something like that. I could see many states saying "you have changed the agreement we signed on to, we are out."

...it'll work much better this time...we're gonna promise all the folks who're here illegally that if they can whup the Yankees, they can have the North...solves two problems at once...

...seriously, don't think it would be economically possible...

I think the biggest problem Texas would have in this scenario would be the influx of immigrants from the US followed by like minded states wishing to either join us or follow our example.

Economically, I can't see how we would not succeed. We have not only the petroleum reserves (5 billion), but the means to refine it. Texas has 2 of the largest oil refineries in the world and total refining capacity is right at 5,000,000 barrels per DAY and we are only pulling 1,000,000 barrels out of the ground per day, as of 2011. Texas would undoubtedly become the number 1 exporter of refined petrol products and with gas prices being what they are......

That doesn't even figure in the immediate 15% - 30% raise everyone gets from no more medicare, ss, and fed income taxes.

As it stands right now, I would probably not support this type of movement, but unless this nation changes course and gets back to what our Founding Fathers envisioned, rather than what the libertards are turning it into, I can definitely see my opinion changing and not only supporting, but actively supporting the movement for Texas independence.

Mark

This is from a few years ago when a Russian predicted that the USA would split up, he proposed this following http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html

If our country were to break apart, Texas would, I believe be strong and I do see other states joining with it to become their own country. I do not think each state would be totally independant, but I can see a group of much smaller countries of numerous states each.

Hope this never happens, but with politions so out of touch with the common man...Every empire throughout history has failed at one time or another, America is no different. It will happen, just don't know when.

How it would work? I just plain wouldn't.

mamabearCali wrote:I would not reccomend it....did not work out so well the first time. However I could see a variant of this happening if the Feds decided to try and repeal the second amendment or something like that. I could see many states saying "you have changed the agreement we signed on to, we are out."

It worked pretty good the first time, but they threw it away to join the United States in 1845.

It's NPR, people. The whole issue of an independent Texas aside, I wouldn't trust their reporting or editorializing about anything at all.

So we're putting Perry's suggestions to the test — NPR is liberating Texas. We asked scholars, business leaders, diplomats, journalists and regular folk to help us imagine an independent Texas based on current issues before the state. (Though, to be clear, no one quoted here actually favors secession.)

Can't you just hear the disdain dripping from the words? And who determined the scholars, business leaders, diplomats, journalists, and regular folk to be asked? NPR?

magillapd wrote:This is from a few years ago when a Russian predicted that the USA would split up, he proposed this following http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html

If our country were to break apart, Texas would, I believe be strong and I do see other states joining with it to become their own country. I do not think each state would be totally independant, but I can see a group of much smaller countries of numerous states each.

Hope this never happens, but with politions so out of touch with the common man...Every empire throughout history has failed at one time or another, America is no different. It will happen, just don't know when.

Whoever put this together knows just about nothing about US politics. There is no way a split goes down in such geographical symmetry. Additionally if Northern VA tried to decide for the rest of the state that they wanted to be a part of NY, and NJ and Maryland they would have yet another Va split just above fredericks burg. Then there would be N VA, S VA and W. VA. And then for NC to go with NY, MD, and NJ------ NOT happening.

Anyway I hope we never come to it.

mamabearCali wrote:Whoever put this together knows just about nothing about US politics. There is no way a split goes down in such geographical symmetry. Additionally if Northern VA tried to decide for the rest of the state that they wanted to be a part of NY, and NJ and Maryland they would have yet another Va split just above fredericks burg. Then there would be N VA, S VA and W. VA.

Did you forget how we got West Virginia in the first place?

I get a kick out of speculation like this. Some peoples “pipe dream” with no real consideration of the ramifications.

“In an independent republic, federal benefits like food stamps, free school lunches and unemployment compensation would disappear, according to two Dallas Tea Party leaders.”

"You will be a productive member of society and our environment doesn't allow for people to not be productive."

If the economy of Texas tanks and the breadwinner can’t find a job within a few weeks, people will be forced to rob and steal or starve.

“Imagine airports without the Transportation Security Administration.”

Imagine airports without the Federal Aviation Administration. Imagine having to have a visa and passport to go to Oklahoma, Florida, New Mexico etc. Imagine having to pay duty on all products sold to or imported from any of the 49 states.

Southern Methodist University political scientist Cal Jillson imagines that low-wage Texas would become a new magnet for assembly plants that might have considered setting up shop in Mexico or Malaysia.

Imagine a lot of Texans not being able to afford to buy the products they make. Why would anyone in the other states come to Texas to work for lower wages? Imagine Texans living like people in Mexico or Malaysia.

I have good news and bad news. The good news is that Texas has been granted independence. The bad news is that the message was delivered by the Mexican army.

Alf wrote:

mamabearCali wrote:Whoever put this together knows just about nothing about US politics. There is no way a split goes down in such geographical symmetry. Additionally if Northern VA tried to decide for the rest of the state that they wanted to be a part of NY, and NJ and Maryland they would have yet another Va split just above fredericks burg. Then there would be N VA, S VA and W. VA.

Did you forget how we got West Virginia in the first place?

Nope I am very aware of it. The western bit of what was VA (now W. VA) had very little in common with central VA. Beause of several factors including the lack of economic incentive to leave the union, the conscriptions of their children to a war they wanted nothing to do with, the western part of VA said adios.

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:http://www.npr.org/2012/03/30/149094135 ... ne?ps=cprs

The above link is an 8 minute, 54 second analysis piece which assumes that Texas has become an independent nation,
and how its relationship with the 49 states of the United States would develop. The reporter is based in Austin, Texas
and covers Texas stories from there, and by travelling the Lone Star.

By accessing the link, you can either click on the button at the top to LISTEN to the piece, or you can simply READ the
text of the story below the "listen" button.

As the world's 15th largest economy, other nations would want to have a working relationship with Texas.

I was amused that Foreign Minister/Secretary of State Kinky Friedman (an avid cigar smoker) stated that he would open
up trade with Cuba, in order to foster the development of Texas-wide cigar stores.

Last year, when Rick Perry was talking about Texas seceding from the United States, a poll revealed that
18% of Texans favored secession.

SIA

Whats left after the army came in and obliterated the government would be strictly 3rd world. This was settled in the case of Lee vs. Grant. A second try would be much, much bloodier. Its nonsensical to even think about.