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...outside weather is upon us...this is about the most unbiased, concise article I've found on the subject...I offer it not to argue, but as food for thought before any of us have the experience unprepared...I know nothing of the source...

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/dog-attacks/index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

speedsix wrote:...outside weather is upon us...this is about the most unbiased, concise article I've found on the subject...I offer it not to argue, but as food for thought before any of us have the experience unprepared...I know nothing of the source...

http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/dog-attacks/index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Most of it seems like pretty good advice. Except I can't picture myself carrying a knife in each pocket. Maybe Kevlar sleeves?

I decided long ago that if I have to protect myself or someone else being attacked by a dog that I am going to use my 32 rather than my 45. I also intend (if possible) to put the muzzle of the gun against the animal and then fire. I believe this would reduce the risk of hitting the person I was trying to help or someone else either by the bullet going through the dog and hitting them, or by ricochet.

I have SJHPs in both guns and after passing through the body of a medium size or large dog, I don’t think the 32 would have much energy left even if it does go clear through.

Just my personal line of thought.

On a related topic, here is the only safe way to break up a dog fight without getting hurt: http://leerburg.com/dogfight.htm?set=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Warning, lots a pictures on dog bites/lacerations on teh above page if you are squeamish.

AndyC wrote:If you're unarmed and get bitten or go to the ground, ram your forearm as deep into the dog's jaws as possible. Slam your free forearm behind the dog's neck and pull down hard with that one while pushing up and backwards with the bitten arm in a rapid upwards "snapping" motion to break the dog's neck. An alternative to the snap is a series of throat punches with the free fist - whatever works for you.

Or I'll just pull out my OC spray/knife/gun and spray the dog in the eye/stab it in the eye/shoot it in the eye.

However, if I'm unarmed and/or unable to reach any of my weapons, that sounds like a very interesting technique. Do you have personal experience with dog attacks? I've always figured going for the dog's eyes or trying to break its legs using leverage (such as your foot) would be a good way to go.

Jumping Frog wrote:On a related topic, here is the only safe way to break up a dog fight without getting hurt: http://leerburg.com/dogfight.htm?set=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A minigun works too.

...I ain't cleanin' that up!!!

Here's another resource on responses to dog attacks.

AndyC wrote:

matriculated wrote:Or I'll just pull out my OC spray/knife/gun and spray the dog in the eye/stab it in the eye/shoot it in the eye.

However, if I'm unarmed and/or unable to reach any of my weapons, that sounds like a very interesting technique. Do you have personal experience with dog attacks?

I was sure the first three words in my post would have made the circumstances of being unarmed crystal clear; apparently not. As to your question: ex Mossad instructors of mine swore by that method; I've never had to use it except on foam dummies. They also said that that's best to clamp your legs around the animal for more leverage if at all possible... but I'm not dangling my pride & joy against 100+ lbs of enraged animal if I can help it

You're right, I just missed your opening words for some reason. Now about the technique, I'm thinking pushing your elbow even further up into the jaw would cause the teeth to sink in even further. I'm thinking tendon/nerve damage, if they weren't already there. What about trying to use your thumbs and fingers to gouge the dog's eyes out (using your free hand)? Is it difficult to get past closed eyelids with a thumb? Anyone else have a clue? I've never had to do this, so I don't know, but it seems like a good idea to go for a vulnerable spot such as the eyes. And just from observing dogs when they interact with each other, I can tell that they very carefully guard their hind legs. Hind legs are a prime target for biting in a dog fight, and I've seen some gruesome pictures of mangled legs on the Internet. I'm thinking that a human could use this weakness as well. If a dog has my left forearm in its teeth, I'll try to gouge its eyes out, or grab one of its hind legs with my free hand, pin my foot against it, and pull with all my might, until I either hear a crack or the dog thinks better of it and lets go of my forearm.

In my former line of work I was bitten twice and had to pepper spray a couple. After the second time I was bitten, I wasn’t at all hesitant to use the spray.

The first time, a German Sheppard ran up to me, no barking, growling or nothing and stood in front of me. When his masters came out of the house, I looked away from him and he bit me once on the thigh and turned loose. I don’t know how he managed to break the skin without tearing my pants, but he did.

Second time, I was walking along the easement at the back of some houses and a little dog sneaked up behind me and bit me just below the calf. Neither dog seemed intent on attacking me as they bit only once then retreated.

That job was interesting. A mean horse stuck his head in the door of an equipment building and tried to bite me. Had to deal with a Brahma bull that would not let me get out of my vehicle, and also ran into javelina, scorpions, tarantulas, bats, bees and sundry other critters.

matriculated wrote:

AndyC wrote:

matriculated wrote:Or I'll just pull out my OC spray/knife/gun and spray the dog in the eye/stab it in the eye/shoot it in the eye.

However, if I'm unarmed and/or unable to reach any of my weapons, that sounds like a very interesting technique. Do you have personal experience with dog attacks?

I was sure the first three words in my post would have made the circumstances of being unarmed crystal clear; apparently not. As to your question: ex Mossad instructors of mine swore by that method; I've never had to use it except on foam dummies. They also said that that's best to clamp your legs around the animal for more leverage if at all possible... but I'm not dangling my pride & joy against 100+ lbs of enraged animal if I can help it

You're right, I just missed your opening words for some reason. Now about the technique, I'm thinking pushing your elbow even further up into the jaw would cause the teeth to sink in even further. I'm thinking tendon/nerve damage, if they weren't already there. What about trying to use your thumbs and fingers to gouge the dog's eyes out (using your free hand)? Is it difficult to get past closed eyelids with a thumb? Anyone else have a clue? I've never had to do this, so I don't know, but it seems like a good idea to go for a vulnerable spot such as the eyes. And just from observing dogs when they interact with each other, I can tell that they very carefully guard their hind legs. Hind legs are a prime target for biting in a dog fight, and I've seen some gruesome pictures of mangled legs on the Internet. I'm thinking that a human could use this weakness as well. If a dog has my left forearm in its teeth, I'll try to gouge its eyes out, or grab one of its hind legs with my free hand, pin my foot against it, and pull with all my might, until I either hear a crack or the dog thinks better of it and lets go of my forearm.

...elbow??? not only would gouging his eyes out enrage him, but it wouldn't make him let go...dogs don't work like people do...I'll take AndyC's solution at face value and glad to get it...trying to do what you describe with the hind legs would require more dexterity and balance than I could muster while he chewed on my arm...only had to break up two dogfights and they move like a blur...I don't...

VoiceofReason wrote:In my former line of work I was bitten twice and had to pepper spray a couple. After the second time I was bitten, I wasn’t at all hesitant to use the spray.

The first time, a German Sheppard ran up to me, no barking, growling or nothing and stood in front of me. When his masters came out of the house, I looked away from him and he bit me once on the thigh and turned loose. I don’t know how he managed to break the skin without tearing my pants, but he did.

Second time, I was walking along the easement at the back of some houses and a little dog sneaked up behind me and bit me just below the calf. Neither dog seemed intent on attacking me as they bit only once then retreated.

That job was interesting. A mean horse stuck his head in the door of an equipment building and tried to bite me. Had to deal with a Brahma bull that would not let me get out of my vehicle, and also ran into javelina, scorpions, tarantulas, bats, bees and sundry other critters.

...it's gotta be that Hai Karate aftershave you're using...just go ahead and throw it out...

...I don't think "might even work" fits AndyC's technique...the people who taught him know more about fighting than I do about eating ice cream...you can report back to us on how your theories work out...I'll stick with what the pros do...