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I heard somewhere that with hospitals being gun free zones that the parking garages, etc have become more dangerous. I also think I heard that because of this that some hospitals are allowing the doctors to carry there.

Has anyone else heard this and if so, would you mind giving me some reference?

Thanks!

Theres a PA who frequents here. Maybe he can shed some light on that.


Note: I busted this PA printing. ...and he still has not posted the story.

last month, I helped our Friend-in-law, who is an oncology nurse at a major hospital in B'ham pick out a S&W snubbie to go with her new Alabama CCL. We then went to the Hoover Tactical indoor range, where she fired a gun for the first time in her 64 years...and loved it.

Doctors in hospitals? I dunno'...

pmcdn wrote:I heard somewhere that with hospitals being gun free zones that the parking garages, etc have become more dangerous. I also think I heard that because of this that some hospitals are allowing the doctors to carry there.

Has anyone else heard this and if so, would you mind giving me some reference?

Thanks!

Actually I believe the opposite to be true. My wife is a RN in a hospital in the DFW area. There have been a number of attacks in the parking lot at the hospital she works at during the last couple years. The hospital's response was to provide unarmed security guard escorts upon request to both patients and employees and to post a 30.06 sign at each entrance to the hospital. Just another example of how corporate America just doesn't get it.

jmra wrote:

pmcdn wrote:I heard somewhere that with hospitals being gun free zones that the parking garages, etc have become more dangerous. I also think I heard that because of this that some hospitals are allowing the doctors to carry there.

Has anyone else heard this and if so, would you mind giving me some reference?

Thanks!

Actually I believe the opposite to be true. My wife is a RN in a hospital in the DFW area. There have been a number of attacks in the parking lot at the hospital she works at during the last couple years. The hospital's response was to provide unarmed security guard escorts upon request to both patients and employees and to post a 30.06 sign at each entrance to the hospital. Just another example of how corporate America just doesn't get it.

No, they don't.

massachusetts gun laws protect the citizens of New Hampshire and Vermont. The criminals go to massachusetts
to rape and rip off because they are protected by the massachusetts gun laws.

This makes Vermont and New Hampshire that have easy gun laws more secure.
the 3006 signs let criminals know that they can practice their
illegal acts without fear of getting shot so they go for massachusetts and gun free areas

make hospital staff easy pickings with 3006 signs

jmra wrote:

pmcdn wrote:I heard somewhere that with hospitals being gun free zones that the parking garages, etc have become more dangerous. I also think I heard that because of this that some hospitals are allowing the doctors to carry there.

Has anyone else heard this and if so, would you mind giving me some reference?

Thanks!

Actually I believe the opposite to be true. My wife is a RN in a hospital in the DFW area. There have been a number of attacks in the parking lot at the hospital she works at during the last couple years. The hospital's response was to provide unarmed security guard escorts upon request to both patients and employees and to post a 30.06 sign at each entrance to the hospital. Just another example of how corporate America just doesn't get it.

Not only parking lots, my daughter is an RN that works primarily in ICU...but also works ER when needed and they've had several wild incidents by unsavory patients (or their friends/family) that required security and the local police respond. More than one incident spread to a different part of the hospital.

tommyg wrote:massachusetts gun laws protect the citizens of New Hampshire and Vermont. The criminals go to massachusetts
to rape and rip off because they are protected by the massachusetts gun laws.

This makes Vermont and New Hampshire that have easy gun laws more secure.
the 3006 signs let criminals know that they can practice their
illegal acts without fear of getting shot so they go for massachusetts and gun free areas

make hospital staff easy pickings with 3006 signs

Not trying to argue...but do criminals really KNOW what a 30.06 sign means?

Shinesintx wrote:

tommyg wrote:massachusetts gun laws protect the citizens of New Hampshire and Vermont. The criminals go to massachusetts
to rape and rip off because they are protected by the massachusetts gun laws.

This makes Vermont and New Hampshire that have easy gun laws more secure.
the 3006 signs let criminals know that they can practice their
illegal acts without fear of getting shot so they go for massachusetts and gun free areas

make hospital staff easy pickings with 3006 signs

Not trying to argue...but do criminals really KNOW what a 30.06 sign means?

I'm pretty sure they don't really care. Why would the fear of 5-10 years in prison prevent someone from commiting a crime that has a penalty of 25-life?
I've never really understood the mentality of that reasoning.

Where I work several of our doctors carry most of the time. One of our doctors carries even when seeing patients.

pmcdn wrote:I heard somewhere that with hospitals being gun free zones that the parking garages, etc have become more dangerous. I also think I heard that because of this that some hospitals are allowing the doctors to carry there.

Has anyone else heard this and if so, would you mind giving me some reference?

Thanks!

Want to make sure we are on the same page...you say "gun free zones." Hospitals are not automatically gun free zones unless posted 30.06. Granted most I have seen are, but some are not. That statutory no carry was in the same section of the penal code that also specified churches and nursing homes in 1995, but was changed in 1997 to the exception of a 30.06.

tommyg wrote:make hospital staff easy pickings with 3006 signs

and even worse... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/1 ... 33040.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Shinesintx wrote:Theres a PA who frequents here. Maybe he can shed some light on that.


Note: I busted this PA printing. ...and he still has not posted the story.

Maybe because the PA is a FNP-C. Need to get your credentials right! I had hesitated to tell the story because I did not know how to properly approach it.

Shinesintx took note of a post I made saying I was in the process (with my company) of opening a new urgent care clinic. I said anyone who wanted to carry under CHL was certainly welcome in this clinic. Well...this made his ears perk up because he sells a certain piece of multi-thousand dollar equipment that he thought I might feel the need to have...and he was right. Anyway, he comes out to do training on this equipment. The clinic was still in the stages of getting things together. He suddenly remarks something like, "I can see you are printing". Well, as far as I knew, our printer did not even have paper in it, and there was no internet yet, so I had no idea how I could be printing. He had to repeat it a couple of times, and even remark that I was carrying it at 3:30, on the right, before I finally clued in. I was pretty chagrined to be caught out for the first time, but then I realized. I was in cargo shorts and a big Land's End no-iron dress shirt. I always carry unless I am in my scrubs (hard as heck to keep them from around your ankles if you carry in scrubs). There was almost no way he was going to miss a little bulge there on my right side. He had great fun with it and I spent the thousands of dollars on his machine anyway...mostly cause they are the only ones who make that machine (which is one Air Force One, every American embassy, and most battlefields).

So, there you go Shineintx! BTW, brother, have used that machine almost every day since we opened up a week ago.

RJ

Shinesintx wrote: Not trying to argue...but do criminals really KNOW what a 30.06 sign means?

...and do they really care?

Oooops, clarionite already said that. It just reminded me of the old Chicago song.

I accumulated 17 years in the ER starting back in 1987. Back then, the ER was not a secured area like most are today (not that these "secure" areas would really stop anyone). I remember several gang shootings where the gang that shot the other gang guy showed up at the ER. Presumbably they wanted to know if they had succeeded...but it was always a worry they might crash in and try to get it right. I remember more than one x-ray where a gun or knife showed up in a pocket, sock, or underwear. That was always an eerie feeling to see!

The most viscious ER I worked in? I did four 13 week contracts at Santa Clara Valley Medical Center in San Jose. It is a Level I, county trauma center. It was in magazines as one of the "knife and gun" clubs. A well deserved reputation. I don't know if the HIPPA law is retroactive, so I can't tell a lot of stories, but I will have memories for a lifetime. I was assaulted five times in that time period. I am proud to say I never got the worst of it, but our ER techs were bigger than me (6 foot 1 1/2 inches and 210 back then)...and they could take care of business, even if it entailed pulling me off of someone who just waylaid me. I have mellowed out some since then.

Anyway, all of that to say this...no. I do not think any hospital is going to give docs the exclusive rights to carry, outside of the LE community. Doctors can be some of the biggest hotheads in the whole hospital, especially certain specialties which will remain unnamed.

RJ

Shinesintx wrote:

tommyg wrote:massachusetts gun laws protect the citizens of New Hampshire and Vermont. The criminals go to massachusetts
to rape and rip off because they are protected by the massachusetts gun laws.

This makes Vermont and New Hampshire that have easy gun laws more secure.
the 3006 signs let criminals know that they can practice their
illegal acts without fear of getting shot so they go for massachusetts and gun free areas

make hospital staff easy pickings with 3006 signs

Not trying to argue...but do criminals really KNOW what a 30.06 sign means?

I know it's a bit of an oxymoron, but the smart bad guys might know.