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I saw this and upon reading it, I thought; "This is something citizens should know about." Then I thought; "But maybe the people doing this will think I am a problem because I posted it here." Welcome to the new reality where we will all second guess our words, the websites we check out, and even the phone conversations we have with family and friends; virtually every written and spoken word.

Once completed, these new massive spy systems will routinely invade the privacy of every American citizen. It's enough to make even we law abiding citizens wonder if anything we say can be misconstrued. Between this and the new law that says you can be taken without due process and imprisoned, I don't know if I recognize my own country.

TexasGal wrote:If this is already posted elsewhere, please delete or lock, thanks.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology- ... 56125.html

I saw this and upon reading it, I thought; "This is something citizens should know about." Then I thought; "But maybe the people doing this will think I am a problem because I posted it here." Welcome to the new reality where we will all second guess our words, the websites we check out, and even the phone conversations we have with family and friends; virtually every written and spoken word.

Once completed, these new massive spy systems will routinely invade the privacy of every American citizen. It's enough to make even we law abiding citizens wonder if anything we say can be misconstrued. Between this and the new law that says you can be taken without due process and imprisoned, I don't know if I recognize my own country.

Yeah, me neither, but both parties are in a race to ignore the constitution (though maybe they're focusing on different parts of it), so what's a man (or woman) to do?

Everything there is either old news or new versions of old news, except maybe that it's being reported by Yahoo! instead of some conspiracy website. I hope I'm wrong, but I think that for the most part the american public doesn't care about their privacy enough and trusts their government a bit too much for this story to get much traction.

I did see an interview with some NSA whistleblowers on Eliot Spitzer's show the other night. Apparently they're trying to make the government's domestic spying program a bit more public, the NSA is trying to keep them quiet, and one of those groups is suing the other.

I'm not worried, I'm just going to exclusively start speaking and writing in .... Pig Latin.
I'm looking for a college course in it now so I and my niece can learn it.
They'll never figure it out .... shhhhhh.

TexasGal wrote:If this is already posted elsewhere, please delete or lock, thanks.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology- ... 56125.html

I saw this and upon reading it, I thought; "This is something citizens should know about." Then I thought; "But maybe the people doing this will think I am a problem because I posted it here." Welcome to the new reality where we will all second guess our words, the websites we check out, and even the phone conversations we have with family and friends; virtually every written and spoken word.

Once completed, these new massive spy systems will routinely invade the privacy of every American citizen. It's enough to make even we law abiding citizens wonder if anything we say can be misconstrued. Between this and the new law that says you can be taken without due process and imprisoned, I don't know if I recognize my own country.

I almost hate to tell you this, but the NSA has been monitoring ALL internet traffic for years. Look up Mark Klein. He was an AT&T technician and testified way back in 2005, or earlier, about the NSA internet taps BUILT-IN to the AT&T network. These taps take all data...ALL data....including streaming videos, audio, URL's searched, email....EVERYTHING. They're not monitoring everything in real time of course....real time is based on key words and other triggers...but they're recording and storing everything. While the scope now may be unprecedented, the concept isn't: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... r_spy.html

Fifty years ago, officers from the Signal Security Agency, the predecessor to the National Security Agency, visited an executive from International Telephone and Telegraph and asked for copies of all foreign government cables carried by the company. The request was a direct violation of a 1934 law that banned the interception of domestic communications, but Attorney General Tom Clark backed it. Initially reluctant, ITT relented when told that its competitor, Western Union, had already agreed to supply this information. As James Bamford relates in his book The Puzzle Palace, the government told ITT it "would not desire to be the only non-cooperative company on the project." Codenamed Shamrock, the effort to collect cables sent through U.S.-controlled telegraph lines ultimately involved all the American telecom giants of the era, captured private as well as government cables, and lasted nearly 30 years.

When you look up some of this stuff, note how long ago the articles were written...the one above in 2006. Don't expect to see much MSM coverage on government spying as long as The One is in power.

RPB wrote:I'm not worried, I'm just going to exclusively start speaking and writing in .... Pig Latin.
I'm looking for a college course in it now so I and my niece can learn it.
They'll never figure it out .... shhhhhh.

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Its not just the gov't. iphones allegedly track your movements, onStar may continue to track your vehicle even after you cancel the service.

Computers in cars can track your driving habits - think of the potential abuse: insurance companies access the data and see that you exceed speed limits and raise your rates, or cancel your policy.

British soldiers have volunteered to have devices implanted to allow their location to be tracked.

ghostrider wrote:Its not just the gov't. iphones allegedly track your movements, onStar may continue to track your vehicle even after you cancel the service.

Computers in cars can track your driving habits - think of the potential abuse: insurance companies access the data and see that you exceed speed limits and raise your rates, or cancel your policy.

British soldiers have volunteered to have devices implanted to allow their location to be tracked.

Commercial entities have more to gain (security aside) from intruding into your profile and they do it. I was discussing this with my wife this evening. I recently downloaded an audio book from a public library written by an insider of JKF. I was ordering an item (not a book) from Amazon and when I finished there were five books about the Kennedys listed as maybe being of interest to me to order. Wow! I wonder how that happened?

...when you surf google for something to buy, it's amazing how ads for that item show up all day on the right of your screen...tell me they don't pay attention to what we're shopping for...