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Hey, I am new to your board and haven't had the time to peruse all sections so please forgive me if this information is posted somewhere. I am moving to Texas this week and have a current Utah CCW. I called the Texas DPS and was told that my Utah CCW would not be valid in Texas as I will no longer be a Utah resident and that I have to go through the WHOLE process (Texas class, Texas instructor, Texas fingerprints/background, etc). I guess I misunderstood what reciprocity meant and thought I could just apply, pay the fee, and have one issued to me. Can someone explain reciprocity to me and help me understand? Thanks for the time guys and gals.

A Utah resident permit is valid in Texas.

A Utah non-resident permit is valid in Texas, unless you are a Texas resident.

If you are a Texas resident, your Utah non-resident permit is only valid if you also have a Texas CHL.

Texas does not recognize the training you received from any other state for their license, so, yes, you must go through the full application process for Texas - 10 to 15 hour class, fingerprints, photos, written and shooting proficiency test.

Crossfire wrote:A Utah resident permit is valid in Texas.

A Utah non-resident permit is valid in Texas, unless you are a Texas resident.

If you are a Texas resident, your Utah non-resident permit is only valid if you also have a Texas CHL.

Texas does not recognize the training you received from any other state for their license, so, yes, you must go through the full application process for Texas - 10 to 15 hour class, fingerprints, photos, written and shooting proficiency test.

Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up. This may be a stupid question, but what denotes "resident" legally? Is it the moment I drive into the state with the intent of living there (or signing my lease) or is there a bit of wiggle room and it is only when I have established "residency" (like for school or such). I think it will just be best to get my TX license on the first day I am here and take a class ASAP. Thoughts?

You are eligible for a resident Texas CHL the first day you set foot on Texas soil with intent to establish residency.

You can apply for a non-resident Texas CHL at any time, which becomes a resident license as soon as you establish residency here. Only problem is, you still must take the class in Texas.

Until you give up your Utah residence and Utah DL, you could still claim you are a Utah resident and carry under your Utah CFP. But, i recommend you take the Texas class and apply for the TX CHL as soon as you can.

Oh, and WELCOME to TEXAS!

Crossfire wrote:You are eligible for a resident Texas CHL the first day you set foot on Texas soil with intent to establish residency.

You can apply for a non-resident Texas CHL at any time, which becomes a resident license as soon as you establish residency here. Only problem is, you still must take the class in Texas.

Until you give up your Utah residence and Utah DL, you could still claim you are a Utah resident and carry under your Utah CFP. But, i recommend you take the Texas class and apply for the TX CHL as soon as you can.

Oh, and WELCOME to TEXAS!

Thanks!

Crossfire wrote:A Utah resident permit is valid in Texas.

A Utah non-resident permit is valid in Texas, unless you are a Texas resident.

If you are a Texas resident, your Utah non-resident permit is only valid if you also have a Texas CHL.

Texas does not recognize the training you received from any other state for their license, so, yes, you must go through the full application process for Texas - 10 to 15 hour class, fingerprints, photos, written and shooting proficiency test.

I have a non resident Utah Permit and have lived in Tx all my life...and you say it ain't valid? You sure bout that?

Crossfire wrote:A Utah resident permit is valid in Texas.

A Utah non-resident permit is valid in Texas, unless you are a Texas resident.

If you are a Texas resident, your Utah non-resident permit is only valid if you also have a Texas CHL.

When did that happen? I know Utah changed their rules and won't issue a Utah CFP to a Texas resident who doesn't have a Texas CHL, but I didn't hear anything about Loon Burnam getting his bad bill passed.

emcee rib wrote:When did that happen?

If I remember right, it was changed last session, with all the hooplah from the various Utah instructors who were promoting the Utah CHL over the Texas CHL due to the mandatory class time and cost.

OK, I realize I was not clear, so let's try this again.
If you are a Texas resident, and you currently have a valid Utah CFP, it will be valid until it expires. At that time, you will not be able to renew it unless you also have a Texas CHL.

This is Utah law - not Texas. Here is the selected text from the bill:

This bill:
13 < requires a nonresident applicant for a concealed firearm permit to hold a current
14 concealed firearm or concealed weapon permit from the applicant's state of
15 residency that recognizes the validity of the Utah permit in that state or has
16 reciprocity with the Utah concealed firearm permit law;

and here is the link to the full text: http://le.utah.gov/~2011/bills/sbillamd/sb0036s01.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Crossfire wrote:OK, I realize I was not clear, so let's try this again.
If you are a Texas resident, and you currently have a valid Utah CFP, it will be valid until it expires. At that time, you will not be able to renew it unless you also have a Texas CHL.

This is Utah law - not Texas. Here is the selected text from the bill:

This bill:
13 < requires a nonresident applicant for a concealed firearm permit to hold a current
14 concealed firearm or concealed weapon permit from the applicant's state of
15 residency that recognizes the validity of the Utah permit in that state or has
16 reciprocity with the Utah concealed firearm permit law;

and here is the link to the full text: http://le.utah.gov/~2011/bills/sbillamd/sb0036s01.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not clear? More like insanely inaccurate...but who am I to split hairs?

sfemti33,

Welcome to Texas. I am not an instructor so I could be wrong on this. If I understand the Utah law and what Crossfire posted correctly, it is not quite as critical to get your Texas CHL when you arrive as it looks at first. When you move to Texas with a current Utah license, Texas will recognize the license. In this case, reciprocity simply means that we recognize the license of the other state for the purpose for which it was issued - carrying a weapon. Texas would continue to recognize the Utah license, but Utah says it is not valid. This is where it gets confusing a little. Utah says your current license is valid until renewal but to renew it will require that you first get a Texas CHL.

The only real problem I can see is how to change your Utah license from resident to non-resident. In Texas, this is just a matter of sending in a change of address. Utah may require more than that to get their non-resident license. If they do have different requirements, they may invalidate your license as soon as you move - making the Texas CHL critical again. I think to get a good answer on this, you might need a Utah board like ours or to ask their issuing authority.

Just like Texas, a Utah CFP becomes a non-resident license when you change to an out of state address.

Crossfire wrote:Just like Texas, a Utah CFP becomes a non-resident license when you change to an out of state address.

And said address change to a Texas address -- would that trigger a request for a copy of the Texas CHL? Or would the CFP remain valid until its expiration date?

Crossfire wrote:OK, I realize I was not clear, so let's try this again.
If you are a Texas resident, and you currently have a valid Utah CFP, it will be valid until it expires. At that time, you will not be able to renew it unless you also have a Texas CHL.

This is Utah law - not Texas. Here is the selected text from the bill:

This bill:
13 < requires a nonresident applicant for a concealed firearm permit to hold a current
14 concealed firearm or concealed weapon permit from the applicant's state of
15 residency that recognizes the validity of the Utah permit in that state or has
16 reciprocity with the Utah concealed firearm permit law;

and here is the link to the full text: http://le.utah.gov/~2011/bills/sbillamd/sb0036s01.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ok, now I'M really confused. When I called the guy at DPS he made it sound like my Utah CCW would NOT be valid as I would NOT be a Utah resident anymore. He said "If I were you, I would get my Texas DL first, then do the Texas CCW requirements.". I don't remember his exact wording, but he made it sound like I could not carry under the Utah CCW while not a resident. He actually said "and that's a Utah thing, not us, so we have no control." Perhaps I should call again and clarify? I know Utah law like the back of my hand, but I unfortunately have not had the time to research Texas law.

OK, here's the way it USED to be anyway: If you already had a non-resident Utah CFP and you didn't have a concealed carry permit from the state you lived in, they would not revoke it until it expired. I don't know about moving from Utah and then changing your address to a non-resident status.

I would suggest calling the Utah BCI at 801-965-4445 and asking them if you can change the address on your permit to an out-of-state adress and don't a permit from that state, will it still be valid until expiration? Utah BCI are the ones that determine that.