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I recieved the 35 gram pouch of Celox this week and added it to my Trauma BOB. It's a newer clotting agent that is supposed to be far better than other clotting agents. I'm still looking for Isreali bandages and a few other items in the event of a serious truama or GSW.

As I carry daily I feel it's a good idea to keep a trauma bag in the even I ever need to use my weapon. Should a loved one (or me) get hit I have an option to help rather than just apply pressure until EMS arrives. I also thought about handcuffs. I'm former LE and should I ever have to drop an attacker and he doesn't die I could cuff him (lets face it he's dangerous) then attempt to save his life for legal defense and moral reasons.

Now many (myself included) would tend to think let the guy die.
But what are your thoughts one this? From a legal/civil/moral defense, should I shoot to defend my life or family, should I attempt life saving efforts on an attacker after cuffing him?

IMO, unless you're an LEO you should not cuff anybody.

Wild Bill beat me to it on the cuff thing. Bad idea, IMNSHO. You gonna frisk them too?

If I shoot someone I will call 911, tell them someone has been shot, tell them where, send EMS please, then hang up.

It really depends on the situation, but in most scenarios I can think of right now I will not be providing medical intervention to someone I have just shot in self defense. Not that they don't deserve it, but I did after all shoot someone because the individual was hell bent on doing me harm. Why would I place myself in close proximity to them? I want them to go away.

Anygunanywhere

Leave em where they lie for both retired or former LEO or a especially a CHL holder.

Moby wrote:Now many (myself included) would tend to think let the guy die.
But what are your thoughts one this? From a legal/civil/moral defense, should I shoot to defend my life or family, should I attempt life saving efforts on an attacker after cuffing him?

IMO, I have no legal, civil or moral obligation to render aid to a person who has attacked me, my family, friend or a stranger. As AnyGun stated, dialing 911 and requesting EMS is where my responsibilty ends.

Moby wrote:Now many (myself included) would tend to think let the guy die.
But what are your thoughts one this? From a legal/civil/moral defense, should I shoot to defend my life or family, should I attempt life saving efforts on an attacker after cuffing him?

I don't desire anybody's death, but I am not inclined to be as upset over the death of an attacker as I would be over the death of a loved one. I think that the moral thing to do, if you have not killed him, is to obtain medical help for him, but I do not feel that it is my responsibility to get close enough to him to cuff him so that I can do that in safety. I will not get close enough to apply pressure to a GSW. Period.

If I thought he was dangerous enough to me to require shooting him, then he's too dangerous for me to get close enough to render first aid. How do I know he's not faking how bad he's hurt, and just waiting for me to get close enough so that he can "get some?"

Therefore, I will call 911. I will tell them that "I am a CHL holder and that I was attacked and forced to shoot the assailant. I am armed and holding him at gunpoint. Please get an ambulance and police here as soon as possible." And then HANG UP THE PHONE AND DON'T ANSWER IT WHEN THEY TRY TO CALL YOU BACK!!! When I hear/see LEO and EMS getting close, I will reholster the gun and conceal it again. I will identify myself to LEO as the person who called.

That is all the responsibility I owe to the attacker. Whatever his outcome, it's on him, not me. Don't start none, and there won't be none.

The Annoyed Man wrote:And then HANG UP THE PHONE AND DON'T ANSWER IT WHEN THEY TRY TO CALL YOU BACK!!!

They won't get through, I would be on the phone to my lawyer at that point.

The Annoyed Man wrote:HANG UP THE PHONE AND DON'T ANSWER IT WHEN THEY TRY TO CALL YOU BACK!!!

WHY ARE YOU SAYING NOT TO ANSWER THE PHONE IF THEY TRY TO CALL YOU BACK???

I'm not a lawyer, but I think if you tried to give medical attention to the BG you just shot, then you would be opening yourself up for a potential civil suit...especially if you do not have the proper medical training. If it was a justified shot, then you couldn't be sued for that, but there is nothing that protects you from giving incorrect or improper medical attention. The shooting and the medical attention could easily be separated for lawsuit purposes. Just look at how many malpractice suits there are. I would want to help too, but this is the world we live in

Just my 2 pennies...

Superman wrote:I'm not a lawyer, but I think if you tried to give medical attention to the BG you just shot, then you would be opening yourself up for a potential civil suit...especially if you do not have the proper medical training. If it was a justified shot, then you couldn't be sued for that, but there is nothing that protects you from giving incorrect or improper medical attention. The shooting and the medical attention could easily be separated for lawsuit purposes. Just look at how many malpractice suits there are. I would want to help too, but this is the world we live in

Just my 2 pennies...

I think that there is a good samaritan law that protects people from this type of lawsuit. As my previous post states, I would not offer aid. But if I did I would be more concerned about getting charged for killing the person after the shooting. Think about what if GZ tried to give first aid to Trayvon Martin.

I agree that I would not render aid to someone that I had to shoot in self defense. I do however like the idea of having a trauma bag/first aid kit of some sort on hand in case myself, a loved one or an innocent bystander is wounded. I picked up a basic first aid kit at a gun show last weekend and have been adding to it. Stuff like Israeli bandages and all sorts of first aid stuff is available through Amazon.com. Of course I'd like to take some training classes through the Red Cross or something similar.

Kadelic wrote:I agree that I would not render aid to someone that I had to shoot in self defense. I do however like the idea of having a trauma bag/first aid kit of some sort on hand in case myself, a loved one or an innocent bystander is wounded. I picked up a basic first aid kit at a gun show last weekend and have been adding to it. Stuff like Israeli bandages and all sorts of first aid stuff is available through Amazon.com. Of course I'd like to take some training classes through the Red Cross or something similar.

I'm about to do the same thing. I'm looking for a decent starter kit and wanted to find out a good place for general training...I'll have to look into Red Cross, good idea.

Superman wrote:

Kadelic wrote:I agree that I would not render aid to someone that I had to shoot in self defense. I do however like the idea of having a trauma bag/first aid kit of some sort on hand in case myself, a loved one or an innocent bystander is wounded. I picked up a basic first aid kit at a gun show last weekend and have been adding to it. Stuff like Israeli bandages and all sorts of first aid stuff is available through Amazon.com. Of course I'd like to take some training classes through the Red Cross or something similar.

I'm about to do the same thing. I'm looking for a decent starter kit and wanted to find out a good place for general training...I'll have to look into Red Cross, good idea.

You are more likely to need the bag and training for something else, but having first aid training is a good skill to have.

WildBill wrote:

Superman wrote:

Kadelic wrote:I agree that I would not render aid to someone that I had to shoot in self defense. I do however like the idea of having a trauma bag/first aid kit of some sort on hand in case myself, a loved one or an innocent bystander is wounded. I picked up a basic first aid kit at a gun show last weekend and have been adding to it. Stuff like Israeli bandages and all sorts of first aid stuff is available through Amazon.com. Of course I'd like to take some training classes through the Red Cross or something similar.

I'm about to do the same thing. I'm looking for a decent starter kit and wanted to find out a good place for general training...I'll have to look into Red Cross, good idea.

You are more likely to need the bag and training for something else, but having first aid training is a good skill to have.

I took the Red Cross "Emergency Response" class a while back on the recommendation of people here. I thought it was worthwhile, although the 30.06 notice was annoying.

WildBill wrote:

Superman wrote:

Kadelic wrote:I agree that I would not render aid to someone that I had to shoot in self defense. I do however like the idea of having a trauma bag/first aid kit of some sort on hand in case myself, a loved one or an innocent bystander is wounded. I picked up a basic first aid kit at a gun show last weekend and have been adding to it. Stuff like Israeli bandages and all sorts of first aid stuff is available through Amazon.com. Of course I'd like to take some training classes through the Red Cross or something similar.

I'm about to do the same thing. I'm looking for a decent starter kit and wanted to find out a good place for general training...I'll have to look into Red Cross, good idea.

You are more likely to need the bag and training for something else, but having first aid training is a good skill to have.

Ya, I agree. I want it more for camping and all that. I looked today and the wilderness one looks really interesting. Although I can't find good info on where to take it and how to sign up :( One spot said it was a 16 hour class, another said it was just an online test... I want to find a good one for me and my wife to take so we are both up to speed.