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Last year we discussed the air show and chl and after I went there I saw that it was not posted.

As noted before, the air field is owned by the city of Denton and therefore cannot be posted but look on the show's website:

http://www.allianceairshow.com/NeedToKn ... tions.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Someone should really challenge them.

That is a non-compliant sign on my computer...the letters are not at least an inch high...

On a serious note, I would like to attend that show sometime in the near future...

With or without your gun?

I would still carry....

They will have compliant signs at the entrances.
Some have been known to carry past them in recent years

Zoti wrote:Last year we discussed the air show and chl and after I went there I saw that it was not posted.

As noted before, the air field is owned by the city of Denton and therefore cannot be posted but look on the show's website:

http://www.allianceairshow.com/NeedToKn ... tions.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Someone should really challenge them.

I'm thinking it's owned by Ft. Worth, as I recall the City of Ft. Worth "annexing" the land for the airport, the speedway, etc., back when I lived in Keller.

According to http://www.alliancetexas.com/OverviewMa ... rport.aspx:
"Owned by the City of Fort Worth and managed by privately-held Alliance Air Services, Fort Worth Alliance Airport provides state-of-the-art infrastructure and an award-winning FAA Air Traffic Control Tower."

Here is the "contact us" form for the airshow:
http://www.allianceairshow.com/TopNavig ... actUs.aspx

Hope this helps.

Zoti wrote:
Someone should really challenge them.

I'd like to see their reply. I bet they'll try to reference the "secured area" of airports mentioned in the list of prohibited places.

....or call it a "school" since there will be school-age kids there.
That's what the FT Worth Zoo does.

It would be nice to see a comment/note by Mr. Cotton to these folks.

Rex B wrote:They will have compliant signs at the entrances.
Some have been known to carry past them in recent years

If it's government property, doesn't that make the notice ineffective, even if the signs are 50 feet tall?

If it weren't for the air show, wouldn't the area where people are being allowed into normally be considered a secure area?

bizarrenormality wrote:

Rex B wrote:They will have compliant signs at the entrances.
Some have been known to carry past them in recent years

If it's government property, doesn't that make the notice ineffective, even if the signs are 50 feet tall?

I don't know the answer to that but am certainly interested...

strider67 wrote:That is a non-compliant sign on my computer...the letters are not at least an inch high...

On a serious note, I would like to attend that show sometime in the near future...

EVEN IF the city were allowed to post the location, the letters on my screen are not only not an inch high, but they are ALSO posted at my house on my computer, where they have no right to post any kind of sign. I live in Grapevine, for cryin' out loud. Therefore, I have not received effective notice.

C-dub wrote:If it weren't for the air show, wouldn't the area where people are being allowed into normally be considered a secure area?

I think you are on to something however, if it a secured area then you should also not be able to bring in nail clippers and liquids.

Zoti wrote:
I think you are on to something however, if it a secured area then you should also not be able to bring in nail clippers and liquids.

The State of Texas defines the "secured area of an airport" as:

PC 46.03 wrote:“Secured area” means an area of an airport terminal building to
which access is controlled by the inspection of persons and property under federal law.

The Texas law seems to only apply to the terminal building and not to the flight line. Alliance could argue that the area hosting the airshow is normally in the Air Operations Area (AOA) and thus federal law comes into play. Of course if this is a federal issue then the 30.06 signs have no bearing. It would be very entertaining to hear Alliance's reasoning on this.