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HOUSTON—As family members of a man who was shot by a Valero clerk in southeast Houston called for the store clerk’s arrest, the store owner released surveillance video.

Alexander Calloway, 21, and his two cousins were trying to enter the gas station on Martin Luther King and Belarbor around 3:30 a.m., but the store was locked.

The young men got into an argument with the clerk, who unlocked his door and came outside, police said.

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Clerk should of never unlocked that door. If the kids were causing problems he should of called the cops until they forced themselves in then he could take appropriate action.

But, he did open the door and the kid did something real stupid making the clerk feel threatened for his life and ended up shot.

The choir is going to be one short this Sunday, according to the family of the deceased

Activist Quanell X said both men shared blame for what happened.

“We want the store merchants to respect us but we must respect them,” he said.

Mr. X, my answer is "don't start none, and there won't BE none. The punk who got shot started it. At no time was he shown disrespect by the merchant. That's just bull, "MR" X.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Activist Quanell X said both men shared blame for what happened.

“We want the store merchants to respect us but we must respect them,” he said.

Mr. X, my answer is "don't start none, and there won't BE none. The punk who got shot started it. At no time was he shown disrespect by the merchant. That's just bull, "MR" X.

Question,
Forgive the obvious.

The police did not press charges.
What ended up happening was a fist hit face, a bullet hit torso.

Was this situation a deadly force response appropriate situation?

In short I'm asking, if someone hits me in the face, am I legally allowed to shoot?
If the answer is yes, why is Mr. Zimmerman in jail to this day?
Not that I nessisarily would, but I think I may be in deep bandini if i fired after a single blow to the face.

Or was the statement that the two friends with the perp wee armed the game changing factor?

What say the experts?

Moby wrote:Question,
Forgive the obvious.

The police did not press charges.
What ended up happening was a fist hit face, a bullet hit torso.

Was this situation a deadly force response appropriate situation?

In short I'm asking, if someone hits me in the face, am I legally allowed to shoot?
If the answer is yes, why is Mr. Zimmerman in jail to this day?
Not that I nessisarily would, but I think I may be in deep bandini if i fired after a single blow to the face.

Or was the statement that the two friends with the perp wee armed the game changing factor?

What say the experts?

It depends on a few things. Size difference, difference in ability, difference in numbers all come into play.

Moby wrote:Question,
Forgive the obvious.

The police did not press charges.
What ended up happening was a fist hit face, a bullet hit torso.

Was this situation a deadly force response appropriate situation?

In short I'm asking, if someone hits me in the face, am I legally allowed to shoot?

If someone threatens to hit you, you can legally draw your weapon and threaten to shoot if he continues. If you then fear he is actually going to hit you, you can legally fire. If he actually hits you, you can legally fire. Personally, I'm not waiting until he hits me, because one punch can kill you.

Moby wrote:If the answer is yes, why is Mr. Zimmerman in jail to this day?

Racism.

Moby wrote:Not that I nessisarily would, but I think I may be in deep bandini if i fired after a single blow to the face.

I seriously doubt it. Assault justifies self defense.

Moby wrote:Or was the statement that the two friends with the perp wee armed the game changing factor?

No.

Moby wrote:What say the experts?

I'm not expert, but that's my understanding of the law, based on training, reading the statutes and numerous discussions here.

C-dub wrote:It depends on a few things. Size difference, difference in ability, difference in numbers all come into play.

Would you mind citing the statute for that?

Moby wrote:Question,
Forgive the obvious.

The police did not press charges.
What ended up happening was a fist hit face, a bullet hit torso.

Was this situation a deadly force response appropriate situation?

In short I'm asking, if someone hits me in the face, am I legally allowed to shoot?
If the answer is yes, why is Mr. Zimmerman in jail to this day?
Not that I nessisarily would, but I think I may be in deep bandini if i fired after a single blow to the face.

Or was the statement that the two friends with the perp wee armed the game changing factor?

What say the experts?

No expert here.......but if someone hits me in the face while in a heated exchange of words.....he will probably get shot. Never know what's going to happen next.

I'd be curious as to what was going on that the clerk opened the locked door. I imagine that it's locked at 3:30 AM for a reason.

It doesn't matter in the sequence of events, as once the door was opened and the shootee whacked the clerk upside the head like that, it was do what you have to.

But, as a clean living, inordinately jovial family man seldom out these days at 3:30 AM, I just wonder.

Moby wrote:why is Mr. Zimmerman in jail to this day?

Racism.

baldeagle wrote:

C-dub wrote:It depends on a few things. Size difference, difference in ability, difference in numbers all come into play.

Would you mind citing the statute for that?

It doesn't say it word for word, but I think 9.22, 9.31, and 9.32 spell it out in what one believes to be necessary in certain circumstances.

I'm talking about a big person beating up on a small person. I think that was actually the first case of a CHL holder in Texas shooting and killing in self defense.

There's also two people that are similar in size, but one might be young beating on an elderly or handicapped person.

And third there is a disparity of force when there are two or more attackers against one.

I think the legal system and courts have shown that people that have used deadly force in circumstances like these to be reasonable justifications for that deadly force. I don't think we see it all that often because there aren't that many cases where it comes down to this. Usually they are more clear cut, like someone entering a house or vehicle.

baldeagle wrote:

C-dub wrote:It depends on a few things. Size difference, difference in ability, difference in numbers all come into play.

Would you mind citing the statute for that?

It is not about statute, because the crux of the issue is whether a "reasonable person" would believe they were in danger of death or serious bodily injury. Thus the factors that can affect a "reasonable person" become more about case law and juries than about statute.