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Who Created mechanism used in most tinypocket pistols today?
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:24 pm
by daddySEAL
The lower receiver, that is on all the TINY 380, 32 acp pistols.
It seems like all tiny pistols have the same design...KelTec, Ruger, Diamondback, Taurus.
Someone Has to be copying it from the inventor.
Does anyone here know WHO that might be?
I really do not know...that's why I'm asking....but the lower receivers are almost, if not, exactly the same.
Re: Who Created mechanism used in most pocket pistols today?
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:34 pm
by Jaguar
John Moses Browning?
Re: Who Created mechanism used in most pocket pistols today?
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:35 pm
by WildBill
daddySEAL wrote:The lower receiver, that is.
It seems like all tiny pistols have the same design...KelTec, Ruger, Diamondback, Taurus.
Someone Has to be copying it from the inventor.
Does anyone here know WHO that might be?
Very interesting question. The design of pistols, as with most mechanical designs, is an evolutionary process. I'll put in my vote for Karl Walther. The PPK was first built in 1929.
Re: Who Created mechanism used in most pocket pistols today?
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:45 pm
by Jumping Frog
The tilted barrel, locked breech mechanism that is common to most centerfire pistols was a John Moses Browning design. Really small pistols, such as .380 and below, often used a blowback recoil mechanism.
Actually, I believe the earliest blowback designs were Maxim's machine guns.
Re: Who Created mechanism used in most pocket pistols today?
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:58 pm
by mr surveyor
most of the current micro pistols have in some way copied George Kelgren's (Kel-Tec) miniturization of JMB's work
Re: Who Created mechanism used in most pocket pistols today?
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:46 pm
by daddySEAL
Very interesting question. The design of pistols, as with most mechanical designs, is an evolutionary process. I'll put in my vote for Karl Walther. The PPK was first built in 1929.
The PPK is a blowback design and not the type lower receiver I'm talking about.
I however, really like the blowback design and have it on my Bersa Thunder CC, CZ-82 and STI GP6.
Re: Who Created mechanism used in most pocket pistols today?
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:25 pm
by daddySEAL
mr surveyor wrote:most of the current micro pistols have in some way copied George Kelgren's (Kel-Tec) miniturization of JMB's work
Apparently, that is the answer.....George Kelgren by way of John Browning....Keltec.
Man, the others grabbed onto the design QUICK~!!
What pistol did Browning design that Keltec miniaturized the 32 acp, friend?
I know Browning's .32 was blowback, with hammer (beside internal), hammer springs more like his 1911 (diagram above)
Keltec P32, 380 below as with other micro pistols I'm talking about.
Re: Who Created mechanism used in most tinypocket pistols to
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:47 pm
by mr surveyor
well... I was referring mostly to the JMB locked breach design which Kelgren was able to miniturize into a lightweight poly frame...the early P11 has been copied multiple times, and I think we all know something about the P3AT copies that now abound. Having been a Kel-Tec fan of sorts for many years, I don't see the KT line as being very high quality firearms, but I give a lot of credit to Kelgren for being the father of innovation for the current line of lightweight micro pistols.
The original question of creating the "mechanism" has more than one answer. That's also getting into a mix of hammer fired and striker fired firearms.
Re: Who Created mechanism used in most tinypocket pistols to
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:12 pm
by wheelgun1958
IIFR the original Kelgren pistol was the Grendel P10, and was a failure. It was a fixed mag pistol loaded from the top. The second generation Grendel was the P12, utilizing a detachable mag. Likewise a dismal failure. The main problem was the clockwork type spring that had a habit of breaking and was a bugger to replace. Ask me how I know.
