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From all the discussion on banning large capacity magazines, am I the only one disgusted that the gun control advocates are comfortable with settling for a lesser number of victims as acceptable? There seems to be this feeling that if they can reduce the number of deaths to half or so then that is a victory. Even Biden stated that saving just one life is a sign of taking action. Now, how are they going to prove that a single life was saved when several others were killed. To me it's just a feel good talking point that means nothing. Will Biden smile the next time there is a school shooting with 9 deaths and say, " Thank God, it could have been ten"

So, just say we drop each attack down to 5,6,7 or 10 victims, are we done? Is that the line we draw? Do we go further to eliminate those lowered number of deaths somehow or rest on the laurels of the reduction in numbers. Those families of future victims, I'm sure, will be pleased that the anti's are satisfied with those reductions. And I'm just speaking theoretically that those numbers will be reduced, I doubt that is factual, but that's beside the point.
On the other hand, if they think it is important for further reductions then why shouldn't that be the first goal? Of course total elimination of guns would be their objective, but they have to know that a total ban could never happen in any kind of short term. Meanwhile, nothing is really being done.

After the announcement by the NRA, it must be recognized that they are the only entity that is looking for a complete elimination result. The concept to stop the threat, which supposedly everyone agrees can't be eliminated, at the first opportunity is ideal. It will also, in my opinion, deter attacks when the attacker perceives he won't get the job done that he set out to do.

Well, how is this going to help other places like movie theaters and malls and such? At the very least, the school action will act as a model to show concealed carry is safe and effective. At the worst, my concern is reduced because these people going there have a choice to patronize places where business owners have chosen to ban concealed weapons so it's on them, but school attendance is mandatory. I'd start attacking these narrow minded gun control advocates for saying they are happy with deaths as long as it's not "a lot".

Please, if my line of thinking is way off I'm willing to hear why, but I am so confused and angered that this sort of concession is acceptable. If there are any articles already on this very concept, please let me know as well.

They are claiming on TV a semi automatic assault rifle fires 100 rounds a minute. Seems to be a pretty standard comment by the network reporters now. Its been repeated so much is has become a fact.

"Large capacity magazines" (or "clips" if I'm being politically correct) is and has always been a non-issue, IMHO. With a minimal amount of practice, almost anyone can rapidly perform a mag reload...literally thousands of us do it in IDPA and IPSC all the time. In a gun-free, innocent-target-rich environment like a school, a psychopath doesn't need to be particularly skilled to swap out 10-round mags and get off just as many rounds as if he had 17-round mags.

Competitors like Travis Tomasie can do a Tac reload in under one second. Any idiot can do it in three seconds. Most any IDPA or IPSC shooter can do it in about two seconds.

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=2GsmUzSBaUQ[/youtube]

But before we vilify semi-automatic (more correctly, auto-fed) firearms, let's not forget that revolvers can be reloaded almost as quickly. I'd pick Jerry Miculek with a revolver over 98% of the world with an SA pistol.

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw[/youtube]

ALL crimes should be required to be committed with Large Capacity magazines since each time, they save innocent lives. A law needs to be passed requiring criminals to use the low-quality magazines designed for range/practice and use only foot-long mags and drum mags the Military doesn't use due to reliability issues..


Examples:
Standard Capacity mags
Cho at Virginia Tech killed 32
George Hennard at Luby's killed 23 and shot 20 more people


Foot-long Jammamatic unreliable so-called Hi-Capacity target range use magazines

1)Jared Laugner: Tucson used those "foot-long" magazines which were easier to grab, whereas at Virginia Tech, Cho used short "regular sized" magazines which were impossible to grab. So, Colin Goddard played possum and relied on the decision or mercy of Cho to let him live or not.

Jared had a high capacity 33 round foot-long easy to grab magazine, and his gun jammed, giving a licenced CCW citizen a chance to stop him.


2) How about in a Colorado movie theater?

Thankfully, 100-round magazines known to jam
http://m.jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/ ... -known-jam" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Source: Colorado shooter's rifle jammed during rampage
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/22/us/colora ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
James Holmes' Gun Jammed During Aurora Attack, Official Says
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/2 ... 92690.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Officers said the rifle had a high-capacity ammunition magazine and that it jammed,
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... rs-1153712" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


LEGISLATURE DECIDING WHAT I CAN USE ("need") FOR DEFENSE ???

Babyface Nelson was shot 17 times before he killed the 2 agents that shot him, then he went home. (Only to die later that evening) (10 bullets didn't stop him)

Read the headline twice, think about it:
Angel Alvarez, hit 23 times in Harlem shootout with cops, held without bail on weapons charges (10 bullets didn't stop him)

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/ ... -survivor/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

April 2, 2008, 2:46 pm
Doctor Tells of a 19-Gunshot-Wound Survivor

The surgeon, Dr. Albert Cooper, was attending in the trauma unit of Mary Immaculate Hospital that morning when the call came in announcing two patients with multiple gunshot wounds were en route.

Dr. Cooper, the medical team and hospital staff members convened in the trauma bay and waited, with little idea of what had just transpired. Mr. Bell, Mr. Guzman and Trent Benefield had just left Mr. Bell’s bachelor party at Club Kalua in Jamaica, Queens, when officers investigating the club, believing the men were armed, followed them. In the confrontation that followed, five officers opened fire with 50 shots, killing Mr. Bell and wounding Mr. Benefield and Mr. Guzman.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/nyregion/03shot.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

One Bullet Can Kill, but Sometimes 20 Don’t, Survivors Show A man in North Carolina was shot roughly 20 times in 1995 and lived to tell about it. The rapper 50 Cent was shot nine times in 2000 and has since released three albums. And in 2006, Joseph Guzman survived 19 gunshot wounds during the 50-shot fusillade by police detectives that killed Sean Bell.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/inde ... 37790.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Man survives 21 gunshot wounds

Re: Congress deciding what I "need" and "may have."

Houston, Texas
Ramon Castillo and Eva, his wife of 30 years, Jewelry Store owners face-off with three armed men who were going to tie them up and shoot them in the head. Four bullets pierced Castillo's body six times because he had to run around getting different "low capacity" guns to fight back.
Castillo's condition was upgraded to fair Wednesday, and he is expected to recover fully. Though "regular" 17-30 round capacity magazines in a "normal" capacity Glock could have benefited Mr. Castillo.


How many hurricanes, evacuations and aftermaths or other natural disasters have you been through to know what I "need"?
How many bullets do I need?
Are you an elderly disabled handicapped person who has been held hostage twice, once by two armed men, another time by 5 armed men?

I know the kids in the Church youth group and 4-H club enjoy the "standard capacity" magazines holding 20 rounds, and also the 33 round ones.
They'd be disappointed with "reduced capacity" or "crippled capacity" magazines. They'd ALL have to stop shooting more often as adults attended to each child's reload.

Soon, those "foot-long- easy to grab" "hi-likelihood of jamming" magazines which have saved innocent lives may be banned, so we'll be under the same conditions as Virginia Tech, or Luby's or other places shooters used short magazines which were faster to reload and impossible to grab so more people got shot or killed.

Legislators shouldn't prescribe incorrect "cures" prior to performing a proper diagnosis.

The facts of life on high capacity magazines
http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/1 ... -magazines" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Another link to a short but good read
http://www.captainsjournal.com/2012/12/ ... -magazine/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Liberal anti-gun "doctors" prescribing a "cure" when the symptoms indicate otherwise, so they misdiagnosed what "the problem" is, just cost more lives.

Standard capacity (as opposed to crippled/reduced capacity) mags and semi-auto hog hunting home defense ranch-defending rifles aren't "the problem"

So Standard capacity mags which killed higher numbers of people in crimes should be banned for criminals, and they should pass a law requiring criminals to use the easy to grab jammamatics which saved lives. (Except if they wanted to "protect children" then "the answer" is to "protect children" and they can't even see the obvious; they'd prefer to advance a political agenda and let more incidents occur)

O6nop wrote:From all the discussion on banning large capacity magazines, am I the only one disgusted that the gun control advocates are comfortable with settling for a lesser number of victims as acceptable? There seems to be this feeling that if they can reduce the number of deaths to half or so then that is a victory. Even Biden stated that saving just one life is a sign of taking action. Now, how are they going to prove that a single life was saved when several others were killed. To me it's just a feel good talking point that means nothing. Will Biden smile the next time there is a school shooting with 9 deaths and say, " Thank God, it could have been ten"

They have no problem counting "saved" jobs, why not count "saved" lives the same way?

I'm so sick and tired of the media getting the details and facts totally wrong.

Dreamliner wrote:I'm so sick and tired of the media getting the details and facts totally wrong.

If you can spare $300, be an NRA life member!

Hurricane Ike. Back then I didn't have any tactical weapons (non pistol). Evacuated, came back early because relatives who stayed said we had some pretty serious damage. We lived in our RV in the driveway. The first couple of nights we were the only people in the subdivision. The only noise was the generator powering the RV. Each evening I would sit in a lawn chair with my shotgun laid across my lap while the family slept.

A couple of times a LEO came around the house and informed me of looters having a shopping spree because no one was around. He saw my shotgun and asked if that was "all I had", I told him yes because my scoped deer rifles were useless to me in the dark. My pistols would make an altercation a little too close for comfort. He stopped and got out of his patrol car and we visited. He advised me to take out my mechanical plug on my shotgun to be able to go from 3 shells to 5. At that moment, I felt that I had my family "under protected".

The long way around this story is yes, I want all the bullets I can at my disposal.

It is just the start. Ban 1 leads to ban 2 ect. Very tragic.

It's sad to think that they believe the 11 round mag for my 40 is evil.

Dreamliner wrote:I'm so sick and tired of the media getting the details and facts totally wrong.

It is not by accident they are wrong.

A 17-round Glock 9mm magazine is a standard magazine. A 10-round one is a reduced capacity magazine.

philip964 wrote:They are claiming on TV a semi automatic assault rifle fires 100 rounds a minute. Seems to be a pretty standard comment by the network reporters now. Its been repeated so much is has become a fact.

I can tell you another misconception the media pushes... the "gun show loophole" Had a conversation with my in-laws at Christmas. Based on what they have heard on the news, they are CONVINCED anyone can walk into a gun show and buy ANY gun with no background check. I explained how it works at gun shows and they pretty much acted like I did not know what I was talking about. Never mind neither one of them have ever been to a gun show...