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Liberal friend now wants a gun overnight

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:46 am
by Rayden
People are UNBELIEVABLE ... one of my wife's friends, a liberal, had her 1st floor apartment broken into earlier today while she was at work. So now that the popo are done with taking the mandatory report and are gone, and she's left alone, she wants us to bring her one of our guns tonight ... and she has NEVER EVER shot or handle a gun before :shock: People are UNBELIEVABLE.

For years my wife had suggested to her to get a gun for protection especially being on a 1st floor apartment and single female, she was of the opinion that she doesn't need it and don't want to mess with guns ... her alarms should be sufficient blah blah blah ... and now when the somthing like this happens she wants a gun immediately? My Glock would've been more danger to her and her neighbors than the slim chance for her to use it on the crook tonight, not to mention the potential liability I face if she misfired the gun and hurt or killed herself or her neighbors ... :shock: Sheeshhhh .... :rules: It's like people not wanting to buy insurance until something happens :nono:

Re: Liberal friend now wants a gun overnight

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:53 am
by SRH78
Imagine that....

Re: Liberal friend now wants a gun overnight

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:02 am
by nitrogen
Hey, it's like they say: A liberal is a conservative who's been arrested, and a conservative is a liberal who'se been mugged. It never fails.

Re: Liberal friend now wants a gun overnight

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:33 am
by DLBConductor
Given the circumstances, I agree that loaning a gun to your friend would be a very bad idea.

However, she had better hope that the BG is just a robber and not a robber/rapist who will return to her apartment to complete the job. She might be wise to stay with someone until she gets a gun AND SOME TRAINING! Her bad choices of the past have unfortunately caught up with her.

Re: Liberal friend now wants a gun overnight

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:59 am
by Teamless
if you want to help her out, offer to take her to the range for safety and handling training, then once YOU are sufficiently satisfied she can handle it, then you could loan her the gun, or go with her to the store to buy one.

But i certainly wouldn't just flop one out there for her, with no experience with one.

Re: Liberal friend now wants a gun overnight

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:54 am
by RoyGBiv
DLBConductor wrote:Given the circumstances, I agree that loaning a gun to your friend would be a very bad idea.

However, she had better hope that the BG is just a robber and not a robber/rapist who will return to her apartment to complete the job. She might be wise to stay with someone until she gets a gun AND SOME TRAINING! Her bad choices of the past have unfortunately caught up with her.
:iagree:

Re: Liberal friend now wants a gun overnight

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:02 am
by AEA
Take her to a well stocked handgun dealer and give her pointers/recommendations and let her pick and buy her own gun legally. If she is legal to buy, she should be able to walk out with her own gun in 15-30 min and you have no further obligation or possible legal problems...

You can then take her to a range and teach her how to use it and get her started on her CHL process. Let her know she is legal to carry the gun under the MPA and in her Home while she is in the CHL process.

You have then done all you can do.......unless you want to move in with her! "rlol"

Re: Liberal friend now wants a gun overnight

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:04 am
by Oldgringo
nitrogen wrote:Hey, it's like they say: A liberal is a conservative who's been arrested, and a conservative is a liberal who'se been mugged. It never fails.
I like that, thanks. :smilelol5:

BTW, my old Daddy, RIP, always told me to never lend guns or automobiles.

Re: Liberal friend now wants a gun overnight

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:42 am
by Mel
DLBConductor wrote:
However, she had better hope that the BG is just a robber and not a robber/rapist who will return to her apartment to complete the job. She might be wise to stay with someone until she gets a gun AND SOME TRAINING! Her bad choices of the past have unfortunately caught up with her.
Very often, a thief will wait enough time for insurance to replace stolen items, then return for the new stuff.
Be careful.

Re: Liberal friend now wants a gun overnight

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:55 am
by Excaliber
Liberals are always traumatically shocked when reality intrudes on their fantasies and they're forced to confront how their choices play out in the real world.

Some reevaluate and make changes.

Others just make noises for a week or two and then go back to what they were doing before on the theory that the bad thing that happened won't happen to them again.

It's the difference between slow learners and no learners.

You'll soon learn which category the lady in question belongs to.

Re: Liberal friend now wants a gun overnight

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:19 am
by johncanfield
If she doesn't change her tune after the shock wears off, buy her (or suggest she buy) A Woman's Guide to Firearms DVD. It's a little dated (the hair styles are a little funny) but the information is timeless. I bought that DVD for my wife to watch and she liked it a great deal and even watched it a second time.

Our boat got broken in 25 years ago and stuff was stolen and it is still a vivid memory for us, I'll bet this lady will never forget her experience either.

Re: Liberal friend now wants a gun overnight

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:26 am
by alvins
i wouldnt loan my best friend a gun much less someone like that. if she was so against guns before id tell her to go buy her own.

Re: Liberal friend now wants a gun overnight

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:16 pm
by The Annoyed Man
Teamless wrote:if you want to help her out, offer to take her to the range for safety and handling training, then once YOU are sufficiently satisfied she can handle it, then you could loan her the gun, or go with her to the store to buy one.

But i certainly wouldn't just flop one out there for her, with no experience with one.
My only quibble with this is: Even if you take her to the range, and even if she is adept, and even if you are confident that she was able to manage, handle, and use your gun safely and legally, are you willing to have your gun impounded by the police and maybe never returned if she ever uses it in self-defense?

My answer to that would be, "Unless she is my own daughter, NO." If she makes enough money to live alone and have her own place, then she makes enough money to buy a second hand Glock, or whatever she is comfortable with, and become herself a gun OWNER, and not just a gun BORROWER. After all, if you loan her the gun, and she uses it, and it gets confiscated, she is going to either pay you for it, or replace it, isn't she? If it was a financial burden, and there really was a pressing need, I might be willing to loan her part or all of the purchase price, so long as she understood that this was a loan that was expected to be repaid. This not because it would break me financially to not be repaid. It is because she needs to have ownership of the process; otherwise she has no real commitment to the thing in which she is engaging, and firearm ownership requires commitment.

I have strong feelings about people who are anti-gun who suddenly get religion when its their own hides on the line. I totally am on board with taking someone like that to the range, teaching them safety and how to shoot. But just as a newly born-again Christian must walk their own faith walk—I cannot walk it for them—a newly minted believer in the RKBA must begin to take responsibility over that part of their own lives, and make the investment in the exercise of their right to keep and bear arms. Otherwise, they become "summer soldiers" in the cause. It is still too easy for them to change their minds and revert to being anti-gun, because they have nothing invested in it.

Not too long ago, I posted a thread about whether or not those of us who have prepared with regard to owning weapons have a responsibility to arm our unarmed neighbors if everything goes to heck. The general consensus was "no, not unless that person has shown that they intend to make it the highest priority to remedy the situation, or, not unless the other person brings some other valuable skill/asset/resource to the table which I cannot provide for myself." Well, the OP's friend's scenario is exactly that in microcosm. Her world has just gone to hades. Now what is she prepared to do to either remedy the situation, or bring something to the table which makes it worth loaning her the gun?

Through my church, and because of the various ministries I am involved in, I have a number of single female friends. Many of them have expressed an interest in having my wife and me take them out and teach them how to shoot, and to help them decide what gun they might like to purchase for themselves. One at a time, we've been assisting them with that. However, I would be very hesitant to loan any of them one of my own guns for self-protection, because I don't want the liabilities that may attend if they have to use it. And I would NEVER loan a gun to someone who had not previously expressed an interest. What I can do is say, "we have an empty guest room in our house; why don't you spend a few nights with us while we get you sorted out on how to use a gun, and then help you to buy one suitable for your needs?" Then they can return to their own apartments, knowing that they now have the ability to defend themselves.

Re: Liberal friend now wants a gun overnight

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:53 pm
by Rayden
All your points are valid, and that's why I never for once considered to loan her my gun last night. She was anti-gun all up until last night and didn't want anything to do with them. She won't have the know-how to ensure safety to herself and her neighbors.

It'll be interesting to see if her tunes changes about guns this time around. We will do our part to get her to an intro class and to get her own and go from there. :tiphat:

Re: Liberal friend now wants a gun overnight

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:03 pm
by posse
The Annoyed Man wrote:
Teamless wrote:if you want to help her out, offer to take her to the range for safety and handling training, then once YOU are sufficiently satisfied she can handle it, then you could loan her the gun, or go with her to the store to buy one.

But i certainly wouldn't just flop one out there for her, with no experience with one.
My only quibble with this is: Even if you take her to the range, and even if she is adept, and even if you are confident that she was able to manage, handle, and use your gun safely and legally, are you willing to have your gun impounded by the police and maybe never returned if she ever uses it in self-defense?

My answer to that would be, "Unless she is my own daughter, NO." If she makes enough money to live alone and have her own place, then she makes enough money to buy a second hand Glock, or whatever she is comfortable with
I might make an exception for some other family members, but I basically agree. I was going to add girlfriend to the list but then I realized if the relationship was serious enough for me to lend a gun to a hypothetical girlfriend, she would probably own her own guns like my actual girlfriend. :lol: