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Dry Fire
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:46 pm
by jl39775
So I'm new to shooting. I want to practice often but I can't make it to the range as often as I want to. I see apps for the iPad that has drills that look like it could help me improve on sight picture, draw and reload to name a few. Is it ok to dry fire a Glock 26 Gen 4? I know you need to dry fire to disassemble, however I'm not sure if will harm my gun if I dry fire often to practice.
Re: Dry Fire
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:47 pm
by GeekwithaGun
use snap caps
Re: Dry Fire
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:53 pm
by The Annoyed Man
geekwagun wrote:use snap caps
This
Re: Dry Fire
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:57 pm
by TexasCajun
Glocks are ok to dry fire. But there is additional benefit to using snap caps &/or dummy rounds. Snap caps are good for practicing misfeed/misfire drills. Same with the dummy rounds. But dummy rounds are closer in weight to actual live rounds. So the drills have a more real feel.
Re: Dry Fire
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:00 pm
by WildBill
TexasCajun wrote:Glocks are ok to dry fire. But there is additional benefit to using snap caps &/or dummy rounds. Snap caps are good for practicing misfeed/misfire drills. Same with the dummy rounds. But dummy rounds are closer in weight to actual live rounds. So the drills have a more real feel.

I have heard this from the beginning of time, but have never seen any data or experiments that document damage to a gun by dry firing. But just to be safe, I use snap caps.

Re: Dry Fire
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:07 pm
by A-R
Dry fire all you want. No need for snap caps. I've dry fired my Glocks as much or more than I've shot them. never used snap caps for this.
Lesser, inferior guns may require snap caps - Perfection does not

Re: Dry Fire
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:39 pm
by punkndisorderly
Everything I've ever read said dry fire away with a few exceptions:
Rimfires, especially older ones as the firing pin strikes the rim of the chamber. This can damage whichever is weaker, gouching or peening of the chamber or breaking/flattening the firing pin. (Supposed to not be a big issue with modern metalurgy).
lder side by side shotguns. Not sure why. I've never owned one, so never paid attention as to why.
Re: Dry Fire
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:42 pm
by jayinsat
A-R wrote:Dry fire all you want. No need for snap caps. I've dry fired my Glocks as much or more than I've shot them. never used snap caps for this.
Lesser, inferior guns may require snap caps - Perfection does not

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Re: Dry Fire
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:42 pm
by JALLEN
The manual will tell you about this. So far, neither my P226 Navy, P7M8 or GP100 have any restrictions about dry-firing.
Sig gunsmith and shooting master Bruce Gray, whose shooting school I have attended several times, says that shooting is "dry-firing with noise." You might refer to his article "Dry fire secrets of the pros"
http://grayguns.com/dry-fire-secrets-of-the-pros/
No harm in using snap caps, of course. Apparently no harm in not either. I believe, but do not know, that rimfire pistols are more likely to require snap caps.
I'm told that SEALs advocate dry-firing, 200 trigger pulls a night is what I've heard.
Practice doesn't necessarily make perfect, but perfect practice might. Get some instruction in proper grip, aiming etc. so your practice will be perfect, and you won't have to unlearn any bad habits.
The key to dry firing is to make absolutely positively certain, and re-check, that the gun is actually "dry." There is to be no noise while dry-firing!

Re: Dry Fire
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:49 pm
by A-R
punkndisorderly wrote:Everything I've ever read said dry fire away with a few exceptions:
Rimfires, especially older ones as the firing pin strikes the rim of the chamber. This can damage whichever is weaker, gouching or peening of the chamber or breaking/flattening the firing pin. (Supposed to not be a big issue with modern metalurgy).
lder side by side shotguns. Not sure why. I've never owned one, so never paid attention as to why.
Rimfire exception is real - I've busted a .22 firing pin myself
Other I'd add to the no-dry-fire list that I've heard of is revolvers with the firing pin on the hammer (old S&W come to mind).
Re: Dry Fire
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:51 pm
by A-R
jayinsat wrote:A-R wrote:Dry fire all you want. No need for snap caps. I've dry fired my Glocks as much or more than I've shot them. never used snap caps for this.
Lesser, inferior guns may require snap caps - Perfection does not

*wanna be starting something* you tube video*
I'm waiting for TAM to bite ...

Re: Dry Fire
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:54 pm
by WildBill
A-R wrote:punkndisorderly wrote:Everything I've ever read said dry fire away with a few exceptions:
Rimfires, especially older ones as the firing pin strikes the rim of the chamber. This can damage whichever is weaker, gouching or peening of the chamber or breaking/flattening the firing pin. (Supposed to not be a big issue with modern metalurgy).
lder side by side shotguns. Not sure why. I've never owned one, so never paid attention as to why.
Rimfire exception is real - I've busted a .22 firing pin myself
Other I'd add to the no-dry-fire list that I've heard of is revolvers with the firing pin on the hammer (old S&W come to mind).

It is a big deal on rimfires. I have also been cautioned on revolvers and O/U shotguns.
Re: Dry Fire
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:56 pm
by Jumping Frog
punkndisorderly wrote:Everything I've ever read said dry fire away with a few exceptions:
Rimfires, especially older ones as the firing pin strikes the rim of the chamber. This can damage whichever is weaker, gouching or peening of the chamber or breaking/flattening the firing pin. (Supposed to not be a big issue with modern metalurgy).
lder side by side shotguns. Not sure why. I've never owned one, so never paid attention as to why.
Striker fire pistols can generally be dry fired without any issue. One exception is the Ruger SR series. Because they have a magazine disconnect safety, they need to be dry fired with an empty magazine inserted. Dry firing without a magazine will damage them.
Re: Dry Fire
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:11 pm
by A-R
Jumping Frog wrote:punkndisorderly wrote:Everything I've ever read said dry fire away with a few exceptions:
Rimfires, especially older ones as the firing pin strikes the rim of the chamber. This can damage whichever is weaker, gouching or peening of the chamber or breaking/flattening the firing pin. (Supposed to not be a big issue with modern metalurgy).
lder side by side shotguns. Not sure why. I've never owned one, so never paid attention as to why.
Striker fire pistols can generally be dry fired without any issue. One exception is the Ruger SR series. Because they have a magazine disconnect safety, they need to be dry fired with an empty magazine inserted. Dry firing without a magazine will damage them.
huh

.... another reason I dislike mag disconnects