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03Lightningrocks wrote:My Texas CHL is about to expire on January 31. I have been messing around about taking the class. I did pay for the renewal a few weeks back. I have my Utah and it doesn't expire until November. My plan was to procrastinate while carrying under my Utah. I realize Utah now requires we have a resident Texas CHL to obtain a non resident Utah permit but I was thinking I am grandfathered in. I also realize I will be required to have my Texas before I renew my Utah.

Am I correct in the thought that I can carry concealed under the Utah non resident until I renew my Texas?

03Lightningrocks wrote:My Texas CHL is about to expire on January 31. I have been messing around about taking the class. I did pay for the renewal a few weeks back. I have my Utah and it doesn't expire until November. My plan was to procrastinate while carrying under my Utah. I realize Utah now requires we have a resident Texas CHL to obtain a non resident Utah permit but I was thinking I am grandfathered in. I also realize I will be required to have my Texas before I renew my Utah.

Am I correct in the thought that I can carry concealed under the Utah non resident until I renew my Texas?

RottenApple wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:My Texas CHL is about to expire on January 31. I have been messing around about taking the class. I did pay for the renewal a few weeks back. I have my Utah and it doesn't expire until November. My plan was to procrastinate while carrying under my Utah. I realize Utah now requires we have a resident Texas CHL to obtain a non resident Utah permit but I was thinking I am grandfathered in. I also realize I will be required to have my Texas before I renew my Utah.

Am I correct in the thought that I can carry concealed under the Utah non resident until I renew my Texas?

As far as Texas is concerned, as long as your Utah non-resident permit is valid, you may carry here. The real question is, "if you Texas CHL is expired, is your Utah non-resident permit still valid?" The answer, I believe, is no;

Senate Bill 36 was signed by the Governor on 3/23/11 and Non Residents must meet additional requirements. This new law becomes effective for first time non resident applicants May 10, 2011 and for renewal of non resident permits 1/1/2012. Those requirements are:
53-5-704.
(4) (a) In addition to meeting the other qualifications for the issuance of a concealed firearm permit
under this section, a nonresident applicant who resides in a state that recognizes the validity of the
Utah permit or has reciprocity with Utah's concealed firearm permit law shall:
(i) hold a current concealed firearm or concealed weapon permit issued by the appropriate
permitting authority of the nonresident applicant's state of residency; and
(ii) submit a photocopy or electronic copy of the nonresident applicant's current concealed
firearm or concealed weapon permit referred to in Subsection (4)(a)(i).
(b) A nonresident applicant who knowingly and willfully provides false information to the bureau
under Subsection (4)(a) is prohibited from holding a Utah concealed firearm permit for a period of 10
years.
(c) Subsection (4)(a) applies to all applications for the issuance of a concealed firearm permit that are
received by the bureau after May 10, 2011.
(d) Beginning January 1, 2012, Subsection (4)(a) also applies to an application for renewal of a
concealed firearm permit by a nonresident.
Note: If you are a resident of a state that has reciprocity or honors a Utah Permit/License you must have a permit from your state of residence to apply after 5/10/11 and renew after 1/1/12. If you are from a state that doesn’t issue permit/licenses to carry or does not honor a Utah Permit/License you can apply or renew as in the past.

Ameer wrote:

RottenApple wrote:As far as Texas is concerned, as long as your Utah non-resident permit is valid, you may carry here. The real question is, "if you Texas CHL is expired, is your Utah non-resident permit still valid?" The answer, I believe, is no;

What do you base that on? Utah seems to think their licenses are valid unless they revoke or suspend it and Comrade Burnam isn't Supreme Leader of Texas yet.

RottenApple wrote:As far as Texas is concerned, as long as your Utah non-resident permit is valid, you may carry here. The real question is, "if you Texas CHL is expired, is your Utah non-resident permit still valid?" The answer, I believe, is no; Unless, as you think, you are grandfathered. And only Utah can answer that for you.

Non-Residents apply the same way as residents. You must have a Firearms Safety Class from a Certified Utah Instructor. List of Nationwide Instructors “Here”. Effective 4/1/12 the cost will be $51.00.
Senate Bill 36 was signed by the Governor on 3/23/11 and Non Residents must meet additional requirements. This new law becomes effective for first time non resident applicants May 10, 2011 and for renewal of non resident permits 1/1/2012. Those requirements are:
53-5-704.
(4) (a) In addition to meeting the other qualifications for the issuance of a concealed firearm permit
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Utah permit or has reciprocity with Utah's concealed firearm permit law shall:
(i) hold a current concealed firearm or concealed weapon permit issued by the appropriate permitting authority of the nonresident applicant's state of residency; and
(ii) submit a photocopy or electronic copy of the nonresident applicant's current concealed firearm or concealed weapon permit referred to in Subsection (4)(a)(i).
(b) A nonresident applicant who knowingly and willfully provides false information to the bureau
under Subsection (4)(a) is prohibited from holding a Utah concealed firearm permit for a period of 10 years.
(c) Subsection (4)(a) applies to all applications for the issuance of a concealed firearm permit that are received by the bureau after May 10, 2011.
(d) Beginning January 1, 2012, Subsection (4)(a) also applies to an application for renewal of a concealed firearm permit by a nonresident.

Mike1951 wrote:Discussion here was from someone moving from CA to Texas with a Utah license.

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The concensus there, including a Utah instructor, was that his Utah remains valid until expiration.

03Lightningrocks wrote:It is as clear as mud now...

03Lightningrocks wrote:I had my Texas CHL first. For some reason, I could have sworn the new rules applied for new issue permits and/or renewals. Otherwise, it seems this law would revoke all the permits Utah issued to people who had no Texas CHL when they received their Utah. Maybe not??

It appears hat opinions vary widely. It is as clear as mud now... . Are there any Utah instructors left on the forum? Surely they would know the correct answer.

thanks everyone.

Crossfire wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Epogen wrote:Mike says yes . Info man says no...I'm confused

It used to be that the answer was an unqualified "Yes." But last year, Utah passed a new law that they will not issue a non-resident permit to someone unless that person has a valid permit from their state of residence. What that means is that if you apply NOW for a non-resident Utah CFP, they will not give you one unless you already have a CHL. However, If you moved here with a valid Utah non-resident CFP, then it might still be valid. But once it expires, you will not be able to renew it until you have a valid resident CHL.

This is the correct answer. Your Utah non-resident permit is honored in Texas. But, when it expires, Utah will not renew it unless you also have a Texas CHL.

You do want to update the address on the permit. You can do that by email. Info here: http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/CFAddChg.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It doesn't cost anything to update your address, unless you want a new card, then I think they want $15 for that.